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Are we better without Yao?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Air Langhi, Mar 16, 2009.

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  1. yao123

    yao123 Member

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    we were dam lucky today that everyone was on their game face....NO WAY THEY ARE BETTER WITHOUT YAO MING
     
  2. rocketsregle

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    Umm it's the Houston Rockets, the possibility of choking is always there. We've lost all the other games Yao's missed this season and we win one and now we aren't that much worse off without him?
     
  3. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    I think we are better when we don't try to force feed Yao and get him the ball in the flow of the offense. Yao is not good enough to force feed.
     
  4. t_mac1

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    i'm sure you haven't seen our chokes in the 4th haven't you?

    again people need to relax. nobody is saying we're better without yao. what most are saying is we can do fine without yao. it's better to play WITH yao of course.
     
  5. Codman

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    Why oh why can't we just enjoy wins like this? It's useless to think about whether or not the team is better without Yao. Even if the ball movement is better, we're still missing a guy who consistently bags 20 and 10. So, no, we are not better without Yao. We just happened to play well and execute down the stretch tonight.
     
  6. durvasa

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    Win/loss record with and without Yao the last three years. Draw your own conclusions, keeping in mind who else was on the team. For example, I believe McGrady missed a greater percentage of his games when Yao was playing.

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    season   with Yao      without Yao
    06/07     32-16          20-14 
    07/08     36-19          19-8
    08/09     42-23           2-2 
    total    110-58 (65%)    41-24 (63%)
    
     
  7. t_mac1

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    we're 2-2 without him this year.

    1st one was against dallas where tracy was really injured and still in his bad phase

    2nd was to knicks where we should have won if not for ron and tracy being stupid.

    all i'm saying is (if you read the GARM when it was announced yao would be out and most say we have no chance) we always do a great job when yao is out.
     
  8. crunch

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    This indeed proves we are better without Yao. And more importantly, we have won every game which Deke has started in this season. Therefore, we will win the world title this year as long as we start Deke every game from now on.
     
  9. gwatson86

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    As I was watching the game, I thought to myself, "Who's gonna post the obligatory 'Are we better without Yao?' thread?" What an idiotic question.

    I mean, just think of how much better we'd be if we dumped Artest too. :rolleyes:
     
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    No kidding! C'mon guys! We're DEFINETELY not a better team without Yao.

    Yeah, Deke was awesome, but at his age, the more he plays, the less efficient he'll become.

    Let's not kill the win with stupid question's like this?
     
  11. rocketsregle

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    My bad. I forgot about the Detroit win. Save for tonight's win, they've really looked bad in all the other games.
     
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    Are we better w/o Yao...Probably not.

    I do think that Adelman could do a lot more with this team if he didnt have a slow Yao who can only play one style of basketball. Adelman's motion offense is a thing of beauty.

    Around the 3 minute mark of the 4th when the game was close I could see the rockets tightening up and trying to force feed Yao and seeing a couple of turnovers and letting the momentum swing the Hornets way. Instead (since Yao was out today) we just kept running adelman's offense and it lead us to a victory. I honestly don't think it would be a bad idea to take Yao out of the game in the final few minutes. Yao is dominant for 3 quarters, but becomes a liability (most of the time) in the 4th.
     
  13. Slumdog

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    when i read your post.... I laugh :eek:
     
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    IBTL. 1 star thread.
     
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    If Yao misses a few more games, we'll find out more. But it'd be like the Rockets when they were rolling without Tmac and then Tmac had to reintegrate and play team ball for the 22 streak. Maybe instead of working around Yao, Yao can rejoin and try to fit in with they type of ball that happened tonight. I think in that case, Deke will have to play off the bench for it to balance out right (as oposed to Deke not playing at all).
     
  16. Streets 01

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    Are we better without Yao?


    HELL TO THE NO!!!!





























    I mean c'mon, Deke needs a backup :)
     
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    Shocker, I never saw this coming :rolleyes:
     
  18. Pringles

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    With Yao, we have tons of unnecessary turnovers that kill us in the 4th. Those turnovers include Yao turning into the double team, players throwing horrible passes to Yao, and Yao not sealing his man correctly.

    If we can solve those turnover problems...

    Rockets with Yao > (By a lot) Rockets without Yao.

    By a lot, I mean more than the 2% that Durvasa showed earlier.
     
  19. Hydhypedplaya

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    Oh man thanks for the post. I was really hoping someone would post the total percentages. As you can see the Rockets are almost the same with or w/o him and would probably not be stupid to trade Yao for a few Adelman type players and let Adelman do his thing. We have seen Yao's ceiling and IMO it is just not that impressive. We focus too damn much trying to run an offense around him. While it can be pretty effective a lot of the times, it can also be a liability because its too easy to get Yao out of his offensive game. And you can expect for teams to try their hardest to get Yao out of his game come playoff time.
     
  20. sTeKcOr22

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    I now know why many people don't visit this bull**** site anymore.

    ALL OF YOU GUYS(including Clutch himself) are ****ing ridiculous.
     

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