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Are the Rockets better without Mobley?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Monkey7392, Nov 22, 2002.

  1. Monkey7392

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    I dont know how many people saw the victory tonight. Seemed like therewas more teamwork and ball movement. I dunno whenever I see Mobley get the ball I see him jack up a bad shot sometimes they go in but most of the time they dont. I dunno it could be me does anyone feel we play better whithout him?
     
  2. RNuss02

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    nah. Until we get a complete shooting guard with size speed, scoring and shooting ability, passing, and defense, we're so much better starting Mobley than leaving him out.

    If we did find that kind of guard in a future draft, how unreal of a team could the Rockets be, with Mobley off the bench as the 6th man, and the rest of our squad as is?
     
  3. ken

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    hell no!!!!!!!! :mad:
     
  4. Hard Rock

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    As much as I hate Mobley on this team I have to admit that a healthy Mobley can still contribute in someway. He's a very very talanted scorer and also a nice guy off the court.
    He's not a good fit on this team though. He becomes selfish and stupid once he got on the basketball court. In every of my post on this board I suggest someway to get rid of the Cat. We need to trade Mobley for someone as talanted but fits better in the team.
    We need a smarter 2 guard who wants to set his teamates up for easy shots, hit the open Js, and play D. We also need a physical forward to help Yao Ming bang inside. therefore I suggested we trade Mobley & Griffin for Brand & Richardson.
    Brand is even more talanted than Mobley and would be a better complement to Yao Ming. Hawkins can start at 2 complement Francis for the rest of this season and then we can sign B. Barry in next smmer's FA market. we might even get Kirilenko by trading Q. Richardson, K. Thomas, and Nachbar to Utah.

    anyway, Mobley is not the type of 2 guard we need. He's talanted and that's why we can trade him for some talants in return to make this team better. and don't tell me "we don't need change," or "we just need time to develop chemistry...," the truth are: 1.) no chemistry will be developed between selfish and stupid players no matter how long they play toghter.
    2.) chemistry develops quickly between smart and unselfish players. 3.) every team is making change to improve their team, even the defending champ Lakers.
     
  5. ROXTXIA

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    I do think the team is kinda crowded with 3 stupid guards.

    Before I get bashed, just look at the three primary guards on this team.

    Steve Franchise. Awesome, but more of a combo guard than pure point guard.

    Moochie Norris. *sigh*

    Cat. Pure scoring but often makes dumb decisions....or no decisions at all. Touch ball, shoot ball.

    Of course Cat hasn't been 100% lately. And his scoring comes in handy. I'd rather have someone on the team who knew the concept of passing the ball, though.
     
  6. jlaw

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    Amen, ROXTXIA. Can we clone SF and Kidd together?
     
  7. Nova

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    I think Cat will find his role with this team and fit just fine. He'll make the Rox better, no doubt about it.
     
  8. Dennis2112

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    Quick answer: NO

    Long answer: HELL freakin NO!!
     
  9. cujo

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    Mobley is the Rocket's 2nd leading scorer.....of course the Rockets need him. Anyone who thinks we don't need him is crazy. Yao is playing great, but you can't expect him to back up Francis on scoring as a rookie.
     
  10. jlaw

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    Let's see who get the last laugh when Rox goes under .500.

    Quick answer: Yes
    Long answer: As soon as possible before bleeding to death.
     
  11. Dennis2112

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    So by this statement, I am to believe that your are hoping for the Rockets to be under .500?


    Interesting viewpoint if you consider yourself a Rocket's fan.:p :p :p
     
  12. rezdawg

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    We need Mobes. Thats all there is to it.
     
  13. kwik_e_mart

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    Mobley is an integral part of the Rockets franchise... he's just having some bad times like Yao went through in his first few games...

    Now who took charge over the Rockets when Stevie was injured last season? After answering this question, one can see why we need Mobley on the team...
     
  14. robbie380

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    mobley would have been nice to have yesterday instead of mooch in the game. i guarantee you that he would have hit those free throws. cat is clutch. even though i hate iso...i would have cat's iso over that bunk that we ran in the last minute of the game. even if ming would have made that shot it didnt look good cuz he was getting pushed out since he is weak in the post. ming cant be our goto guy in the clutch because he simply isnt strong enough yet.
     
  15. Dennis2112

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    I agree. ISOs are not bad for the occassional play. Sometimes, if you have the matchup advantage...take it!!!!

    Also if you have the matchup advantage, you force the other team to make an adjustment and that means a double or defensive help...which means someone on our team is open.

    PLus if Cat would have been available, Mooch would not have been out there on the floor at the critical time.
     
  16. DCkid

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    Alot of the anti-Mobley stuff started when Yao had his 30 point game and Hawkins actually hit some shots. Also, Mobley happened to have one of the worst games of his career at that same time.

    Since then, Yao took 4 shots in the last game, and Hawkins shot 2-7 from the field. These two guys have not made Mobley expendable! At least not yet.

    I still think Yao is going to have a lot of games this season like the one he had against the Clippers, where he is pretty much a non-factor. As for Hawkins, I just simply don't think he's a good offensive player, and with the Rockets being such a poor scoring team as it is, they probably could use the team's 2nd best scorer until someone else steps up and proves they can help cover the scoring load.
     
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    Yao was playing his D and rebounding. If Cato was guarding Kandy, he would have scored 20+ points. He was doing something the stat wouldn't reflect much. He was not a non -factor.
     
  18. DCkid

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    True. I was referring to the offensive side of the ball, namely scoring.
     
  19. Easy

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    Mobley will be a great role player for our team if he learns to pass or is used as a catch and shoot scorer (Reggie Miller type).

    In other words, when he handles the ball a lot, he is a liability. But when he gets the ball in a situation where he can score quickly, he is deadly. Also, he presence on the floor forces the defense to be honest in guarding him. They can't afford to leave him open.
     
  20. NewYorker

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    While Mobley isn't the greatest Shooting guard, he's still a valuable player...he wouldn't be a starter if he wasn't.

    He's an offensive weapon, and I don't understand how anyone can think the Rockets are a better team without him. They would be an even better team if he played more intelligently and selflessly at times, but, well, it's Mobley, what can you say.
     

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