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Are big corporations truly evil, scum sucking entities?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by haven, Dec 3, 2002.

  1. haven

    haven Member

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    I never would have believed it. Trust in big business (at a broad level, of course there are the Enrons of the world) has always been one of the few things I've agreed with Republicans on. However, I'm beginning to think they're total scum needing heavy regulation based on two recent experiences:

    1. Today, I received a letter in the mail from the my former insurer, and a last date bill. They're threatening to turn me over to a collection agency if I don't submit payment by a date in the middle of November (and yes, this is December). Sprinkled in the document was all this pseudo-legal language that's utterly unenforceable but is meant to sound intimidating.

    Personally, I had no recollection of availing myself of any services that I would be charged for. Moreover, I didn't remember receiving any other bills. So I called the #. Turns out, a procedure that I was informed was fully covered was subject to a 25% deductible. They, of course, have no record of the person telling me it was fully covered. It was oral. Sorry Sir, but you must pay in full. And we've already turned you over to a collection agency.

    Why didn't I receive my bill previously? Well, I didn't give them my new address. I didn't give ANYONE my new address, except those who I needed to give outstanding payments to (like my student loan corp) and people I actually wanted writing me.

    Think it would have been hard for them to track me down? Nope. They could have just asked my college. They give out my address to everyone and their dog anyway. And I purchased this insurance THROUGH my college... so you'd think this would have been their very first move.

    Bastards.

    2. I've now requested a deferment form from my student loan corporation 4 times in the past 3 months. Know how many I've received? 0. Finally, I managed to download a generic government deferment form that should work off of the web. I sent that in about 3 weeks ago, with my law school's certification... they still haven't recognized it in their stupid system (10 business days past about a week ago).

    When I call? "Sorry sir, we have no record of that request." Or, "yes sir... we got the request... didn't you get the form?" Nope. Sorry fellows, the letter getting lost in the mail only works once as an excuse.

    Well fellow ccnet members... am I just unlucky...? Or are corporations scum? Right now I am P-I-S-S-E-D. Republicans here are so fond of saying that I'll be more conservative when my "life experiences" demonstrate the awe-inspiring virtues of conservatism. Well, this is teaching me that government is necessary to clamp down on these assholes.
     
  2. MadMax

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    what govt regulations would you suggest to prevent these sort of crappy bureaucratic things happening to you???

    i think we all have instances like this happen to us...i'm not sure they necessarily imply some evil intent on the part of the business, however.
     
  3. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    If you are so meaningless to the all-important US economy that you cannot afford a fleet of lawyers to take care of this sort of trivial nonsense, you deserve what you get, amateur.
     
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  4. MadMax

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    classic post!!! :D
     
  5. haven

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    MadMax:

    I'm not really sure. THe real problem is that it's not worth our time to seriously counter any one of these practices. Meanwhile, by abusing consumers, big business profits a great deal, and feel secure in the assumption that the little guy can't afford to do anything about it.

    One solution is uncapping punitive damages (or apportioning them to % of net worth). Actual damages in situations like this are minute, making it worthless to sue even in a class action. However, if you say "for screwing over millions of college students, ye shall pay" then I'd wager that after the first time one gets hit, it'll never happen again on a large scale.

    Maybe some direct government oversight would be better? With huge fines for abusive policies? Or maybe just exempt consumers from paying bills if there's even a hint of wrong-doing. Make them cover themselves, since they're in a better position to do so.

    I'm really mad about this first instance. This will affect my credit history permanently, and I didn't do anything wrong.

    Of course I really don't think they evil... but they're so devoted to using any leverage at all possible costs that they truly do abuse poor innocent consumers like myself.
     
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Unfortunately, there are deadbeats out there who ruin things for the rest of us.

    This should absolutely NOT ruin your credit. Keep all correspondence and when it comes time to apply for a home or car loan, you will have the necessary documents to show there was a misunderstanding that you ultimately resolved.
     
  7. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    haven --
    A very similar incident happened to me with DirecTV. When I moved during the summer, I took my Sony DirecTV box with me to my new location. I had already paid for the installation charges, and I was continuing my DirecTV service, so I figured I was ok. Well just last week I get a bill in the mail for $880 which was charging me for the equipment I allegedly took and didn't pay for. The bill was from a collection agency. It was the first time I had ever heard of the issue. DirecTV gave me no notice whatsoever, despite continuing to bill my account for monthly service. Unbelievable. I called up the credit agency and put the charge in dispute, thereby keeping it off my credit report -- for now at least. I just went through a painstaking process of cleaning up my credit report after an absolute scam job pulled by Gallery Furniture. Gallery ended up admitting defeat however, after over 1 year of bickering when they found out my employer was one of their biggest customers. I currently have an ongoing issue with ColumbiaHouse as well regarding unfair business practices.

    Not all companies are virtuous. I certainly have never claimed this to be true. However, problems can be fixed at the individual level, without the help of government.
     
  8. Refman

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    I really have 2 points here:

    1) The insurance company should already be regulated by the Insurance Commissioner. You can also file a grievance with the AG.

    2) The government has proven themselves inept at regulating business. You and I get no tangible benefit out of it (because regulation is toothless) and the goods and services cost more for less product. See cable TV, airlines, telephone. In the instance of a violation you still have to jump through hoops to get government to do anything about it.
     
  9. Invisible Fan

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    I think it's that most of us peons want to make it rich so we put our trust in the brains behind the operation (CEOs, CFOs, etc...). But most of the brains behind the operation want to make it richer, and they're using the same ethics that got them there in the first place to do it.
     
  10. rimrocker

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    It's the threat of going to the government/ courts that often inspire companies to treat consumers fairly.
     
  11. codell

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    Speaking of big companies and what not ....did anyone hear about Imperial Sugar in Sugarland? Very sad story on the news today. Right at the holidays too. Cruel world we live in sometimes.
     
  12. Timing

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    A lot of them certainly are. Take a look at what Monsanto did in Alabama. Serious scumbag action there.
     

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