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Are all politicians like this? Are there "good" politicians?

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  1. pirc1

    pirc1 Member

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    And I actually thought there were measures in place to prevent things like this, how stupid of me. :mad: :mad: :mad: What is the difference between this an corrupt communist party bosses in China?

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    Donors Underwrite DeLay's Deluxe Lifestyle By LARRY MARGASAK and SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writers
    Wed Dec 21, 2:12 AM ET



    WASHINGTON - As Rep. Tom DeLay crossed the country to raise millions of dollars for himself and fellow Republicans, he also improved his lifestyle.

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    Over the past six years, the former House majority leader or his associates have visited places of luxury most Americans have never seen, often getting there aboard corporate jets arranged by lobbyists and other special interests.

    Public documents reviewed by The Associated Press tell the story: at least 48 visits to golf clubs and resorts with lush fairways; 100 flights aboard company planes; 200 stays at hotels, many world-class; and 500 meals at restaurants, some averaging nearly $200 for a dinner for two.

    The meals and trips for DeLay and his associates were paid with donations collected by the campaign committees, political action committees and children's charity the Texas Republican created during his rise to a top spot in Congress.

    Put them together and a picture of an opulent lifestyle emerges.

    "A life to enjoy. The excuse to escape," Palmas del Mar, an oceanside Puerto Rican resort visited by DeLay, promised in a summer ad on its Web site as a golf ball bounced into a hole and an image of a sunset appeared.

    The Caribbean vacation spot has casino gambling, horseback riding, snorkeling, deep-sea fishing and private beaches.

    "He was very friendly. We always see the relaxed side of politicians," said Daniel Vassi, owner of the French bistro Chez Daniel at Palmas del Mar. Vassi said DeLay has eaten at his restaurant every year for the past three, and was last there in April with about 20 other people, including the resort's owners.

    The restaurant is a cozy and popular place on the yacht-lined marina at Palmas del Mar. Dishes include bouillabaisse for about $35.50, Dover sole for $37.50 and filet mignon for $28.50. Palmas del Mar is also a DeLay donor, giving $5,000 to his Americans for a Republican Majority PAC in 2000.

    Since he joined the House leadership as majority whip in 1995, DeLay has raised at least $35 million for his campaign, PACs, foundation and legal defense fund. He hasn't faced a serious re-election threat in recent years, giving him more leeway than candidates in close races to spend campaign money.

    AP's review found DeLay's various organizations spent at least $1 million over the past six years on top hotels, restaurants, golf resorts and corporate jet flights for their boss and his associates.

    The spending shows how political power can buy access to the lifestyles of the rich and famous. While it's illegal for a lawmaker to tap political donations for a family vacation, it is legal to spend it in luxury if the stated purpose is raising more money or talking politics.

    Until his recent indictment in Texas on political money laundering charges, DeLay was the second most powerful lawmaker in the House and as such, could command an audience of donors wherever he went.

    DeLay attorney Don McGahn declined to identify which trips listed in the reports were taken by DeLay and which by his associates. But he said all the travel was legal and not done for DeLay's benefit. "Raising political money costs money," the attorney said.

    "Mr. DeLay has done extensive fundraising, and traveled far and wide to do so, but you would be hard-pressed to find someone who has raised more for others, whether for candidates or political parties," McGahn said.

    Special interests routinely make donations and attend fundraisers to gain access to government decisionmakers. And while other congressional leaders accepted trips and used political money to cover travel, none compares with DeLay:

    _Campaign and PAC reports filed by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., show several payments to companies for travel, including Cracker Barrel, Union Pacific, Schering-Plough and Home Depot. But there were few visits to golf courses, and those were mostly close to home.

    _Reports from Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., show expenses at resorts in South Carolina, New Mexico and Puerto Rico. But he too holds most events closer to home, such as Las Vegas casinos and Lake Tahoe resorts.

    _House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has held events at ritzy hotels such as The Mark in New York and the Four Seasons in Atlanta, but had few corporate flights or visits to resorts, according to her reports.

    House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., comes closest to rivaling DeLay's travels, reporting fundraisers at Walt Disney Parks and Resorts in Florida, the Ritz-Carlton in Kapalua, Hawaii, the Phoenician Resort in Scottsdale, Ariz., and the Waterfall Resort in Alaska. Hastert's groups also paid for dozens of corporate jet flights and restaurant meals.

    Some say DeLay pushes the limits, and risks alienating donors.

    "I don't think the people that contributed to me would believe it was a good expenditure of their hard-earned dollars for me to go and play golf and enjoy life anywhere," said former Rep. Charlie Stenholm, a fiscally conservative Texas Democrat who lost his House seat following DeLay-led redistricting.

    Rep. Christopher Shays (news, bio, voting record), R-Conn., a Republican author of legislation that reformed campaign finance, was just as critical of DeLay's spending habits.

    "It's excessive, it's obscene, it distorts someone's ability to have good judgment," said Shays, a longtime critic of DeLay. "It's an abuse of campaign finance law and of our ethics law. It's harmful to Congress in general and the Republican Party in particular. We need a new leader."

    Told of DeLay's spending, a $50 contributor to DeLay's ARMPAC said he doesn't expect politicians to use his donations in any particular way.

    "I guess it's almost an automatic fifty bucks to anybody who's on my side, if that's the right way to put it," said George Wrenn, a retired architectural historian from Freedom, N.H.

    DeLay's travels with recently indicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff are now under criminal investigation. But those trips were paid by special interests directly under the banner of congressional fact-finding.

    DeLay's own political empire has underwritten far more travel.

    The destinations for DeLay or his political team include a Ritz-Carlton hotel in Jamaica; the Prince Hotel in Hapuna Beach, Hawaii; the Michelangelo Hotel in New York; the Wyndham El Conquistador Resort & Golden Door Spa in Fajardo, Puerto Rico; and the Phoenician Resort in Scottsdale, Ariz.

    There's also the Ritz-Carlton in Naples, Fla., offering "dazzling views of the Gulf of Mexico, warm golden sunsets and three miles of pristine beach," plus golf, a spa, goose-down comforters, marble bathrooms and private, ocean-view balconies. Rooms cost from about $389 to more than $3,000 a night in December, the month DeLay's PAC spent $4,570 on lodging there in 2004.

    "He liked to talk to people," said Pedro Muriel, a waiter at Puerto Rico's El Conquistador Resort. Muriel recalled DeLay staying in an enclave of privately owned red tile-roofed villas.

    The villas have up to three bedrooms, kitchens, living rooms and French doors that open onto terraces or balconies facing the Caribbean. Villa prices average about $1,300 a night.

    Guests get their own butlers. The resort offers six swimming pools and an 18-hole championship golf course.

    DeLay's donors also have financed visits to country clubs and tournament-quality golf courses, including the exclusive Baltusrol Golf Club in Springfield, N.J., site of this summer's PGA Championship; Nemacolin Woodlands Resort in Farmington, Pa., home of another PGA event; and Harbour Town Golf Links, a course at Hilton Head Island, S.C., that was designed in consultation with Jack Nicklaus.

    "World class. Dynamic. Luxury resort. Spend a day, spend a week, spend a lifetime," another DeLay fundraising spot, the ChampionsGate golf resort near Orlando, Fla., invites on its Web site.

    Dining at fine restaurants also is routine. The stops for DeLay and his associates include Morton's of Chicago, where the average dinner for two goes for about $170 before tax and tip, and "21" in Manhattan, a longtime glamour spot where American caviar is $38 for a taste.

    When DeLay wants to head somewhere without the hassle of commercial travel, he often asks a company for its jet and uses donations to pay for it.

    Dozens of businesses have lent DeLay their planes, including tobacco companies UST, RJ Reynolds, and Philip Morris, plus energy concerns such as El Paso, Panda, Reliant and Dynegy.

    R.J. Reynolds has let DeLay use a company plane at least nine times since 1999, once joining Philip Morris in making jets available for a DeLay PAC fundraiser at a Puerto Rican resort in winter 2002. R.J. Reynolds spokesman David Howard said planes are lent usually at lawmakers' request and are only done if jets aren't needed for company business.

    "It's much more convenient as opposed to your regular commercial travel," Howard said, noting there is no need to go through airport security.
     
  2. thadeus

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    I'm not familiar with all politicans, but the vast majority of those I am familiar with are exactly like this. Remember, these are our "public servants" - a fact that any one of them will gladly, and frequently, mention in their speeches.
     
  3. tigermission1

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    It's the best government money can buy, it's a plutocracy and a corporatist state.

    So what's new again?
     
  4. Dubious

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    All governments and religions involve the manipulation of the masses. If their benevolence is widespread enough then the illusion is benign and the people are well served. It's when the inequities become exagerated that the people awaken and heads roll.
     
  5. insane man

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    in their defense...most individuals in congress/senate etc could probably make a nice mid 6 figure salary if they worked in private business. and they dont really get compensated at the market level.

    that being said...i'll make an exception and be fully in favor of hanging delay.
     
  6. langal

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    They should all take the Chinese Civil Service Exam.

    All these people are probably scumbags in real life. I hate to say it - but that's why the allure of a multi-billionaire candidate is appealing at times. At least they conceivably won't be swayed so much by $$ - since they already have it.
     
  7. Deckard

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    All politicians, or all politicians like DeLay? They aren't all like DeLay, not by a long shot. They aren't all "scumbags." Many are hardworking public servants. Even a few Republicans. ;)



    Keep D&D Civil.
     

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