[AP] US vetoes UN resolution on Israeli settlements

What do you have to say about Gaddhafi and the rulers of Bahrain murdering their people? I notice you were one of the most adamant about getting rid of Mubarak, but you have been eerily silent when it comes to Bahrain. I remember that you mentioned that you traveled there several times. What is your opinion on that?

 

I argue that the Palestinians should not withdraw from negotiations, regardless.

Why do you direct more outrage and "disappointment" at the USA and Israel than at the rulers of Bahrain and Libya murdering their own people at this point?

Interesting.

Edit: I notice that after my posts here, you made a post about Bahrain and Libya in the other thread.

 

It just seemed odd to me that you would post a long post about a UN resolution to voice your outrage before voicing your outrage about the murders in Bahrain, but as you have now posted about that as well and as you have pointed out that you haven't posted at all in days, I understand.

 

What would the US have had to lose by condemning the settlements? I watched an interview with the US envoy to the UN yesterday (a lady also named Rice) on Al Jazeera, and I couldn't really understand her explanations why the US vetoed this. It went along the lines of the US having been against the settlements for 30 years, but not wanting to contribute to one side (Israel) becoming even more stubborn because everyone condemns them, or something like that. Didn't make too much sense to me.

 

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Apparently,according to US diplomats, settlements are not “illegal”. They’re “illegitimate”. It would have been less damamging to just freaking abstain.

It sounds like something an elderly Likud politician would say. The world is reacting as you would expect it too.

Europeans are giving the US a collective "huh?" and are probably likely to crank up the BDS effort. Palestinians will point their fingers and say "see, Obama wasn't serious when he said he was an honest broker." And who can blame them?

There will be a day of rage, for sure, but it will be directed at the US this time, not Israel. The US in this effort have greatly de-legitimized their credibility as a broker for peace.

Ami Kaufman is saying the US role in the ME is over . That might be a bit much, but in any case, Obama is coming out of this looking like Netanyahu's b****, and that's not good for anyone...except maybe Netanyahu.

 

President Urkel is a complete amateur and doesn't know what he's doing. He's indecisive and weak.

 

Now that you mention it, I remember that from that interview as well. Sounds rather ridiculous to me, to be honest. I agree with you.

 

I think if the US had abstained though the resolution would've passed and as a Security Council resolution it would've had the force of law behind it.

I agree this was a very poor move by the US and the phrasing does nothing to ameliorate the situation. This seems like a failure of US diplomacy to allow the US to be put in the situation where this vote came up. At the minimum they should have been able to try to reword the resolution.

 

Susan Rice on Meet the Press said the same thing. She said the US vetoed b/c the condemnation is one-sided and would only make Israel position even harder.
I guess that's a very nice summary the US view of U.N. when it doesn't need U.N. :grin:

 

Horrible move by the U.S. Not unexpected, but disappointing.

 

Of course not. There is an obvious double standard on the US's part.

 

I don't get it. What do we possibly gain for playing favorites for Israel over Palestine? I thought we were the superpower. Why are we so willing to bend over backwards for Israel? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

 

I'm not sure why this is even worth a thread. The US supported Israel at the UN? No ****ing way! They've never done that before...

 

This would be a more appropriate response in one of the tens of anti-Muslim threads by ATW and his cronies.