Anyone want Travis Henry?

I'd consider it, except I don't think he's the compliment to DD that we need. Also, I think the 2nd rnd pick is better spent elsewhere...too many needs on this team to give it up right now. OL, DL, LB..

 

how bout that Hollings pick? great move.


Proven 1,300 yard back or a guy who only played 4 games at HB in his college career against 4 of the worst rush defenses in the country for a 2nd roud pick?

I love Casserly.

 

1) Travis Henry is going to want to start and be the feature back wherever he goes. The Texans have one of those.

2) You think Ahman Green or Tiki Barber is fumble prone? Watch Travis Henry.

3) Domanick Davis didn't start a game at RB at LSU. I think he's turned out ok.

4) Charlie Casserly is probably in the top 5 GMs in the NFL.

 

Before he got injured he was leading the nation in rushing. And it wasn't against THE WORST defenses in college football.

 

actually yeah, all four of those teams ended up toward the bottom of the rankings against the run that year.

 

I don't think that really matters. Point is he was leading the nation in yards, and he's a good talent, good pick.

 

I would stick with DD. I don't think Henry is that much better than DD. If Alexander wants to come here thats a different story.

 

Did you watch those games? Did you watch Tony in college as an RB? Somehow, I doubt it. You could see the talent. It's not always about the defense you're against if the talent is just there. I still think Tony can be a solid change-of-pace back in the league if he can just stay healthy (which would probably involve gaining a little more bulk). So much speed and vision..

 

yeah, I saw him play in college. I saw a guy who played against defenses so inept that he wouldn't get touched until he reached the secondary.

Do you guys realize you're defending a 2nd round pick (nearly a 1st round pick since Oakland has the 2nd overall pick) on Tony Hollings?

here's the 2nd round picks from that draft:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft04/tracker/round?round=2

there's a lot of players that were obviously better picks than Holling before the season.

Hollings will never be ****, and certainly not worthy of such a high pick.

Making Jabar Gaffney the first pick of the 2nd round is working out opretty well, too, huh? How many game did he go without a ctahc this year? 4? Great pick. Everyone, except Casserly apparently, knows Florida receivers suck.

 

You are aware that Hollings was taken in the supplemental draft? It's a wholly different animal than the regular draft. As a matter of fact, I believe that many teams were clamoring for Hollings but the Texans had the first choice. It was a good gamble. The kid isn't done yet either. He has looked pretty good when healthy. Besides, who cares what he did in college? If it were up to you, Domanick Davis wouldn't have been drafted.

 

yes, I'm aware he was a supplemental pick. Are you aware that the pick was Oakland's 2nd round pick in the 2004 draft, which eneded up being the 2nd pick of the 2nd round. Nearly a 1st round pick.....

And no, teams weren't "clamoring" to get him. I believe the Texans overshot by two rounds on their bid..

And I happen to like DD a lot...I'm just a realist who knows he's too small to be an everydown back for 16 games, and it would be great to have a platoon situation similar to Piuttsburgh.

And yeah, I happened to love the DD pick. However, I thought he would be a good kick returner and 3rd down receiving back. Everything else has been gravy.

 

At the time, many agreed that the Hollings pick with Oakland's second round pick was a good one considering the fact that they were coming off a Super Bowl year. Complaining that the pick was nearly a first rounder is clearly a case of hindsight being 20/20.

This team is not at a point where they can afford to spend valuable money on a RB or WR, IMO, because you already have good quality there. We need to focus solely on upgrading our OL and defense.

 

Let me start this post by saying my least favorite player in the league is Randy Moss. But, how awesome would this offense be if we paired Johnson with Moss. RM95, I am with you regarding our needs though. I wonder what the Vikings would want in return?

Courtesy of FOXSports.com

Will the Vikings look to move Moss?


Randy Moss' act in Minnesota is getting old and it's time for the Vikings to ship him out of town. At least that's the noise coming from both major papers in the Twin Cities.

Moss, who essentially missed five games this season with a hamstring injury, finished the year with 49 catches for 767 yards and 13 touchdowns. But his production was overshadowed by his controversial actions, like the well-documented "mooning" in Green Bay as well as his decision leave the game against Washington when there were still two seconds left on the clock.

Actions like those, as well as issues from his past in Minnesota, have opened up the rumor mill in the Twin Cities and have led many to wonder if Moss is worth all the trouble that follows him.

Leading up to, and then following, the Vikings' season-ending loss to the Eagles on Sunday, a game in which Moss had as many drops (three) as he did receptions, sports writers from the Star Tribune and the St. Paul Pioneer Press speculated how the Vikings might deal with Moss this off-season.

They also looked at possible ways the Vikings might be able to ship him out of town.

"Like every NFL team, the Vikings hold a series of personnel meetings before developing an off-season plan for improving the roster," Kevin Seifert wrote in Saturday's Tribune. "For seven years, their fundamental starting point was always the same: building around Moss, their once-in-a-lifetime receiving talent. Now, after a two-week stretch in which Moss has embarrassed the organization countless times, that position might change.

"While the odds remain that Moss will return in 2005, there are highly placed members of the organization who are exasperated with him. At the very least, they plan to initiate a substantive internal discussion about Moss and his future with the franchise this off-season."

Bob Sansevere suggested in Monday's Pioneer Press that the Vikings start looking around the league to find a team that might want to make a trade for Moss.

"It's time to put out feelers and see what Moss could bring in a trade," Sansevere said. "Every team still in the playoffs has a defense capable of shutting down offenses; when was the last time you could say that about a Vikings defense?"

Sansevere speculated that the Vikings might want to contact Arizona, whose head coach, Denny Green, was in charge of the Vikings when they drafted Moss out of college.

"First on the phone list should be Arizona Cardinals coach Denny Green. The former Vikings coach has three players who could give the Vikings the kind of defense that would help them navigate deep into the postseason — end Bert Berry, who led the NFC with 14.5 sacks, strong safety Adrian Wilson and tackle Darnell Dockett.

"Green drafted Moss and always has believed you can outscore teams if you load up with offensive talent."

Moss has four years left of the eight-year, $75 million extension that he signed in 2001. He is set to earn $7.5 million next season. And while he is still one of the best receivers in the NFL, his whole package might be too much for the Vikings to deal with.

 

I think I could look past much of that stuff to have him on our team. That duo would be unstoppable. However, McNair and Co. seem to be intent on putting a product on the field that you can be proud of win or lose, so I can't see them pursuing Moss.

BTW, all this self-righteous crap about the mooning incident is absurd.

 

Aside from all the posts that have made good points, I'll just say...Hollings looked good. I think he would have finished in the top 5-10 in the nation in rushing, regardless of the defenses he was going to be up against the rest of the year.

Plus, where are your sources? I recall Vandy and UConn having pretty bad defenses. But Clemson was solid I think, and BYU was pretty decent as well. I doubt Clemson was near the bottom, and probably not BYU either. I don't have statistics to back it up...but if I recall correctly, that clemson team had a number of jr's and sr's on its defense. Not that that automatically makes a good defense...but it helps.

 

So, you knew at the time that the draft happened that Oakland would go 4-12 coming off a Super Bowl season? It was a good choice at the time because that pick wasn't looking as good.

 

We traded that pick to you to nab Sam Williams in the 3rd round when we could have the #33 last year, so Al Davis is just as stupid.

*Henry is going to Miami if Shaun Alexander doesn't get there first.

*Chris Berman says the Raiders could be working on a deal to send Phillip Buchanon and the 7 overall pick to Minnesota for Moss

 

hmm, freeing up jerry porter to leave..? esp. with curry and gabriel developing well..

 

i know that at the time, the texans said they didnt want to use a high draft pick on a RB, but imagine if they would have drafted c portis instead of gaffney...