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Any Suns we can snag this off season?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by redgoose, May 20, 2007.

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  1. redgoose

    redgoose Member

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    They should be well over the luxery tax if they keep the team in whole. The owner would have to be real confident they would win it all this time to pay the luxery taxes. Plus everyone they pick up ends up good, so i see them thinking their guys can be replaced. Therefore, not keeping the core together. Marion is owed 16 million, so he might be very hard to trade. You know Amare and Nash aren't going anywhere. But i would love a Raja Bell, their 6th man of the year, or a couple others. They're a deep team. A few guys on their bench could have started for us this year.

    Can someone list who will be their free agents (I'm obviously too lazy). Since they can all shoot, and we need another shooter or two, it just makes sense. I doubt we could ever trade with them, only having 3 players worth any value. Plus they wouldn't want to help us get better.
     
  2. Carl Herrera

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    Suns might dump their players only because of luxury tax concerns...


    Newsflash:

    Rockets have the same luxury tax issues and Les Alexander is NOT GOING TO PAY THE LUXURY TAX to improve the team.
     
  3. redgoose

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    Is Sura not yet off the books? Or do we have him another year, in which we can trade his expiring salary.
     
  4. Nice Rollin

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    team option in 2007....we wont pick it up.
     
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    it would be a DREAM come true to get shawn marion, the best defender in the league.
     
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    yea....les should suk it. despite being a rich man....he would not burge into paying tax to get yao and tracy help.
     
  7. redgoose

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    Newsflash back at you:

    That's why i mentioned the possibilities of picking up a dropped Sun in the first place. We should still be able to sign someone with the MLE. And our problems aren't as bad as theirs. I wouldn't call them the same.

    Plus, we still have the possiblilty of a sign and trade with Sura. Too bad T-Mac is due for 19 million or he might be able to get some extra help.
     
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    Yeah, we can get Steve Nash.

    he can back up Rafer.
     
  9. hooroo

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    Rockets are under the luxury tax but as the roster stands now it's not enough to take on Kurt Thomas or Diaw's contracts.

    Sura & Lucas (waivable for 1.5M) for Barbosa (5.6M) would save them 7.8M in luxury tax. It really depends on how much Sarver wants to save. Though most likely the sixth man of the year won't go that easily.

    What's more likely is, they land the no.4 or lower. Then try to package either Thomas/Diaw & their two lower 1st rounders to a under the cap team. That would be their best option.
     
  10. Carl Herrera

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    Assuming Bonzi doen'st come back, Rockets have 11 players under contract for over $60 million. What's the luxury tax limit?

    http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm
     
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    The only thing Suns we can get is their up tempo style of play. Or at least try when Adelman comes in...

    ..then we fail miserably. Turns out.. you need fast players to do what.. wadya know..
     
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    this year 65.42M but each year it's been going up by around 2-3M for the past several years.
     
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    Im almost certain i heard on the radio that the Rockets would need to pay $1 million for a buy out. mis-info?

    Also, Im sure they wont bring Deke back to clear some cap space.
    Rockets have a bad history of shatting on vets at the tail end of their careers.

    I vote we recruit and develop our own Raja Bells, and Barbosas.
    Quit paying the high price to take other teams developed players and actually get some scouts who can scout and coaches that can develope talent at a rate similar to the Suns, Spurs, and Mavs.
     
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    Marcus banks. I think the Suns will give him away for expiring contract such as Sura.

    But do u want him? I dont.
     
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    it's partially guaranteed, his 3.8M contract can be waived 1M. this makes him a valuable trade asset for teams looking to salary dump.
     
  16. redgoose

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    That's what I'm all for. If you think about it, our scouts/coaches have done a horrible job over the years. Scouting had nothing to do with us getting Francis or Yao. Isaiah Thomas would have made those same moves at the time. :rolleyes: Like i mentioned before, Mobley was their only lucky pick. He would be a nice addition to the team now in terms of creating his own shot and being a great defender. But that's another topic for another trade thread. The Rockets have done a great job with Yao, i'll give them that.

    JVG has never developed anyone i can think of. Marcus Camby could be the closest person one could argue, but he plays with pure athleticism and never developed an offensive game. Maybe with a different coach earlier in his career he could have? Rudy T on the other hand, developed a handful of players so we always had a full bench, some of which are still playing like Cassell and Horry.

    Our only problem is now seems to be the best time to win it all. T-Mac, though young has played 10 seasons, is now in his close to declining years and guys like him just don't come around often(cough...Kevin Durant....cough) :eek: I'm not saying he's lost a step yet, but in a 2-3 years and his back? While simultaneously Yao is starting to reach his peak, or will hit the absolute max he can in the next 2-3 years. This is why we need a core group of players now, including a couple people that can come of the bench and do other things than wait behind the 3 point line for an open shot.

    I can't help but think we're so similar to the Laker's except we have the younger center and the older SG. I'm sure that was the plan to have an identical team to what they had when we traded for T-Mac. Alexander just forgot one thing. The other 10 players actually helped them win those 3 rings in a row. I'd like Deke for another year, we don't know how the new guy and Juwan can hold down the fort if Yao we're to go down for another stretch. I think that showing last year might have already bought Deke another year, as long as it's cheap. I honestly can't imagine him asking for much knowing we already have 2 centers 50 years younger.

    Anyways, a Raja Bell who can score and defend or Barbosa is exactly what we need, plus a tad bit more. ;)
     
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    there was a thread about camby saying that jvg was a bad coach, and he felt bad for yao. saying yao will never be anything great if he gets coached by jvg. or something like that
     
  18. Carl Herrera

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    Camby may not have liked JVG... in fact, by all accounts JVG resented the management for trading his favorite Charles Oakley for some injury-prone beanpole underachiever and gave Camby somewhat limited minutes in the first year and (as reported) was pretty tough with the kid... however, there is no mistaken Camby's development in NY.

    I'm not sure if any other coach would have made Camby into anything different... I mean, he wasn't ever going to have Patrick Ewing's post moves or 3 pt shooting range under any coach.
     
  19. Carl Herrera

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    And JVG did help get Kurt Thomas' career back on track after a serious injury... Charlie Ward also was a JVG product. He only played 43 minutes the year before JVG became coach. Ward was not a superstar, but had a solid long career.

    I would also say that Luther Head and Chuck Hayes had shown some decent growth... they still limited by their height and natural gift, but they have become useful NBA players.

    Also, let's remember all coahces have to have something to work with in order to "develop" players... Phil Jackson, as great as he is, didn't really make Kwame Brown take any quantum leap over 2 years. There were also plenty of draft picks on the Lakers and Bulls who never really became a footnote on the championship rosters under Jackson. We just don't remember those because they had Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, Shaq, Grant, Harper, Rodman, etc.

    As for our new coach, Adelman (supposely), why don't you ask Gerald Wallace about his minutes in SAC.
     
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    While being the most VERSITILE defender in the league, he is most definitely not the best defender in the league. He'd be a good addition but I think he is pretty overrated.
     

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