Any players you like in the rosters of Pacers and Pistons

John Barry!

 

Most of Pacers' roster is nice. Harrington, even Bender. Foster. Tinsley? No thanks, he shoots like Tito. I like Croshere -- for about 6 or 7 mil less than he's making, that is.

Pacers will want to move Mercer and Croshere.

Pistons will improve by virtue of the #1 from Memphis -- it will be high (but cannot be #1...hey, conspiracy freaks, will the Logo get the #1 overall???). Barry will resign but they desperately need to get Rice back to Michigan to finish his career, don't they?

 

xiki,


i really do think you underestimate jamal tinsley. he is a talented point guard that just needs time to fully mature. the problem, imo, is that indiana is in the "win now" mode. i'd love to see the rockets go after him, because he

a) does not make many careless turnovers
b) makes quick decisions (invaluable on our team)
c) is one of - if not THE - best ballhandlers in the nba
d) is inexpensive
e) currently has low trade value (see d and above explanation)
f) looks to pass 1st, pass 2nd, and shoot 3rd

even if he doesn't pan out as the rockets' starting point guard, he'd be an EXCELLENT back up point. truthfully, though, i believe he'd be more than sufficient at the pg spot.

 

I will continue to propose the

Rockets Trade - Steve Francis + filler
Pistons Trade - Chauncey Billups + Detroit Lotto Pick from Memphis + filler

Don't know if there is any scenario fo "filler" that would make this work, but it is becoming more and more apparent that Pistons may make this trade. Francis brings them exactly what they need. Someone guaranteed to put up 20 a night and who can msot importantly create his own shot. In Carlisle's structured offense and with Hamilton coming off screens, if Francis has an open mind, I see his assist number going up and turnovers going down (and people on this baord saying "See, he only needed on mroe year")

As for Houston, it obviously depends on the pick number. If Top 3, you're set with eitehr Lebron, Carmelo or Darko. Plus, Billups is a solid PG - not allstar, an no Steve Franics, but can explode on any given night. It sets your rebuilding back a little bit, but fewer and fewer see the current Rockets team ever becoming that championship squad with the "leadership" and "direction" its currently under.

 

I really love Tinsley's game. He's in the NBA's top 10 in both assists & steals. You say he can't shoot. I say he doesn't shoot much anyway. And then I point you to Avery Johnson. The rap sheet on Avery was he couldn't shoot. Then, around '95 or so, suddenly teams couldn't say that anymore.

Besides, for argument's sake, suppose Tinsley was on a team with Francis, MoT and Yao. How many shot opportunities do you see for Tinsley (who would be at best the 4th option)?

 

On the Pacers, I would be in favor of getting Jamaal Tinsley and even signing Reggie Miller to a 2 or 3 year deal. Tinsley would be the perfect point guard for this team- he knows how to get the ball to the right players and is also showing an improved stroke this season. And can you imagine Miller as a Rocket??? That would mean more open driving lanes for Francis and more open looks for Ming. Reggie still draws the attention of a defense as if he was still 24, even if he's dropped off a tad. No one in their right mind would even dream of leaving Reggie wide-open from three.

On the Pistons, I would be in favor of signing Jon Barry as a backup guard. He would be the perfect addition- a 3-point threat who hustles and plays team ball. He would be the long-range bomber that the Rockets desperately need off the bench.

If the Rockets could find someway to sign both Miller/Tinsley/Barry and deal Glen Rice/Mobley and/or Eddie Griffin for some low-post help, then it would be a great offseason, to say the least.

 

hmmmmmmmm....
Nah.

 

Points well taken. One question, tho -- why is Thomas always (reportedly) trying to get his replacement? Maybe he needs time, as you say, but do Rox relaly have any more time to waste?

Other points I am concerned about Rox Point (assuming SF moves to SG): I believe the Rox need (at least) a neutralizer for the 1's in the West, including Parker or Kidd in SA, Marbury, Stock or Dre in SLC, Bibby and Jax and so on. I don't believe Tinsley is that man. An aging GP still is, Sammy, too. Or just make me 'settle' for Dre (for Cat).

 

1. If Tinsley is that great, why did he LOSE minutes to Strickland AND Tim Hardaway??? If he's not good enough starting PG for a 1st round playoffs team in the East Conf, what made you think he's good enough STARTING for us?

2. Who do we trade for him as our BACKUP PG? Moochie Norris? Think they would accept it eh?

Lebron: Memphis will keep the pick.
Darko: Yes for us. No for Detroit.
Anthony: Yes for Detroit. No for us.

 

Key word there is 'reportedly.' Tinsley had some family issues for a while, and so late in the season he missed some games, and also played like someone with a death in the family. Other than that, any talk about Thomas not having confidence in Tinsley is hogwash. He's getting, what, 41 minutes a game in the playoffs?

I'm sorry to say this, but GP's "The Glove" reputation is now mostly reputation. Who has more steals this year, Tinsley or Payton? Cassell is a sentimental favorite, but since when did he ever play defense?

 

Steals mean little, actually, but you are well stated about GP.

Neutralize means, to me,
able to occupy the other 1 when Rox 1 is on O and/or play some D on their 1, create fouls on their 1 and so on. GP can still do all that just fine. He can still lead on the court (locker room is a concern, of course).

Sammy = No D and little passing, but Sammy also makes the other team react to him, account for him including passing lanes etc. Besides, he's Sammy Sammy Sammy.

 

Barry, Artest, O Neal

 

I second that!

 

You do know that he's the FIFTH option in the Pacers' starting lineup, don't you? He hurt them with his awful shooting.

He's yet to prove that his rookie season is probably his best pro season. He's 25 now. What made you think he would improve dramatically?

Besides, can anyone provide a trade suggestion?

Please don't say Mobley for Tinsley because Mobley is MUCH BETTER than Tinsley. Not to mention the salaries don't match.

 

Tinsley's decent all right, but if we still end up running the spokes-and-wheel offense, any PG that can't shoot the three is a liability.

 

Yeah, that's why I said AT BEST he'd be the 4th option. Hey, if a FIFTH option is getting 8+ points a game, that's not bad.

In my ideal trade scenario, the big names would be Tinsley & Griffin, then Indiana would have to throw something in to match salaries. Just between EG & Tinsley, we'd lose about 1 point a game, about 2 & a half rebounds, but gain 6+ assists and 1-2 steals a game. If Indy loses Brad Miller, they might be forced to play O'Neal at the C again, and would be looking for a PF. That's my hope, anyway.

 

I actually think it woudl be the opposite, at this point in time. Why would Detroit want the most unproven commodity on the board, in Darko? Carmelo - we've all seen what he can do against big level competition. Detroit isn't ready to rebuild, even with a first round loss this year. They are only 1, "mature" star player away. I don't see them taht excited about a barely 18 yr old PF/SF combo.

 

What do you mean? What's your point? Griffin or Posey is also our 5th option currently in our starting 5 and Griffin is getting 8 pts and Posey is getting 8-10 pts. All 5th option in any NBA teams is getting at least 6-8 ppg. You do know that, don't you?

Pacers have Al Harrington and Jon Bender. Both are as good if not better prospects than Eddie Griffin.

 

He is shooting very well in the playoffs, so given the right conditions; he can put the ball in the basket. I've watched some of the series games for the Pacers vs. Celtics, and I really like what I see from him.

He is always pass first, the only time he shoots is when he is open. He rarely turns it over, and even then it's usually because he was trying to get more people involved than he should have.

A line up of:
Tinsley / Steve / Barry
Steve / Barry / Posey
Posey / Nachbar / Tmo / Barry
(Insert tough rebounder, Troy Murphy anyone?)
Yao / Cato

Out starting line up is made for a team oriented game, Tinsley is pass first, Francis is still a PG at heart, Posey still gets around 3-4 apg, and Yao is Yao.

Out back up is quite solid as well. With Tinsley coming out and Barry coming in, we have a larger backcourt, and our forwards will hopefully be ready to shoot some threes (Nachbar or Tmo,) and of course Cato knows what his job is.

We just need a bruiser/rebounded at the 4 position, someone who will protect Yao. I like P.J. Brown for his hustle and defense, and Murphy because he can hit from the outside and rebound.
Either would be better than Griffin or Mo Tay are right now.

For Tinsley, Pacers would probably only ask for Mobley so that they will have a 3pt shooter and slasher at the 2 again.