Any other options than loosing the trade exemption?

barbourdg,

You are making too big of a deal out of this. If we lose the exception, we gain equal amount of capspace back. It makes no difference. The exception is a cap hit, renouncing it or loses it extinguishes that cap hit, and you get cap room instead.

btw: our trade exception is worth roughly $6.4m (Drew plus Dream).

 

We don't need the trade exception anyway. Hell our trade exception is Cato or Williams. Why would we want to send 7.1 mil to a trading partner when we can send Cato or Williams.

 

barb

You cannot trade an exception...any exception. That is like asking, "Can we trade our Mid-Level Exception?"

as for you concern that we are wasting it, answer me this: Clearly, having cap room is much more valuable than a trade exception. Trust me: We don't WANT the trade exception, if we can get under the cap, instead.

 

I think the confusion here is that a trade exception can be traded. It can't as I understand it. Toronto did not "trade" us the exception, they used it to take back more money from the Rockets than they were giving. When the Rockets traded away more salary than they got back, under the CBA rules they got their own trade exception. It just happens to be for the same amount. So the key here is that the trade exception can only be used in a trade where you take back more salary, which the Rockets will not due because that would threaten their ability to resign their free agents. That is how I understand it, I could be wrong.

 

However, since we have $16.5 million to divide between Taylor, Anderson and unnamed 3rd player, it might still be useful for something. If there is a player that someone is trying to dump either because of the salary cap or because of the luxury tax, we could use the exception to take that player off their hands (along with a pick or S&T Colson or whatever), as long as it left enough room for Anderson and Taylor. I'm guessing that would be a player who made no more than $5 million. This could be adjusted depending on the salary of the guy we want: trading K. Thomas would add about $2 million, while S&Ting Anderson could land a grossly overpaid player (not that we'd want one).

If we could do this, we'd know this about the person we'd get: (1) He'd just be a role-player, (2) he's a redundency on his current roster, (3) he makes more money than he's worth (but maybe not by a whole lot) (4) he's currently under contract. I can see getting a GS center in this fashion. I'm not sure who else may fit in well here.

 

JV-we could do the same with pure cap rather than a trade exception.

I agree with your premise. But also add the following of how the space can be used)

Taking on TWO players, one overpaid, and one solid player that helps out. (think Raef/TAW)

Taking on a player that is disgruntled (think Pippen)

Also, Walt+the exception could land a 10 mill player. Hypothetically, if a team is looking to clear salary for next year, or just clear salary, a Walt+exception package would be VERY nice to have.

Further, I don't think we need to necessarily have a pick or player attached to the exception, we could "buy" a player from somebody.

 

JuanValdez.

When you have capspace, the 15% trade rule no longer applies. Look at it this way: a trade exception can only offset the 15% in Assigned Player trades (which includes s-n-t). You cannot use it on Free Agents. The exception is limited. However, you can use capspace ANYWAY YOU PLEASE. Pure capspace can be used to get around the 15% trade rule, and it can also be used on Free Agents. Trades exceptions are not nearly as useful as caproom.

We all agree on that. What is causing this discussion is it hasn't fully set in here at cc.net that exception and capspace cannot co-exist. If you can create the capspace by renouncing players who either you don't want or can sign another way, it is better to do so that ever use an exception.

According to RealGM, the moment we renounce Rogers, Bullard and Mo', we will gain $12.5m in caproom....this is because all the exceptions are lost. We then sign Mo' back with caproom and use the veteran's minimum on Bullard. If we do not renounce these players, we will never see caproom this summer, by your numbers.

Further, if we are to believe Jonathan Feigen's numbers over RealGM, we don't have to do the renounce and resign thingy with Mo' at all. We just have to renounce Rogers and Bullard in order to convert our exceptions into pure capspace.

NIKE,

Why are we talking about a trade exception that will be lost the moment we maximize our caproom. I understand that you are trying to be ultra technical here, you know as well as I do that we will convert our exceptions into pure cap room to sign Mo'. It is silly to say otherwise.