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Another businessperson for Bush

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Woofer, Jun 25, 2004.

  1. Woofer

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    Enron was not a blip, yet another example of fiscal responsibility, Bushie style.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3498-2004Jun24.html

    Praised by Bush, Woman Said Still in Debt

    By JOHN NOLAN
    The Associated Press
    Thursday, June 24, 2004; 8:02 PM


    CINCINNATI - A former bookkeeper praised by President Bush for turning around her life with help from a social-services agency still owes at least $300,000 to the company she was convicted of stealing from, according to court records and the business owner.

    Susan Morin, owner of Gorman's Supply Inc. in suburban Cincinnati, said she was stunned to see Tami Jordan appear with Bush on television Monday. Morin's company had employed Jordan, 35, as a bookkeeper before she was convicted of theft and forgery in 2000. She was sentenced to three years in prison for having embezzled more than $300,000 from the company, according to court and prison records.

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    During a visit Monday to Talbert House, a Cincinnati social-service agency that helps former convicts, Bush praised Jordan as a "good soul" and an "inspirational person" who was making the best of her second chance.
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    White House spokesman Jim Morrell said people who meet Bush on such visits are screened, but he declined to explain the process. Morrell said he didn't know if Bush aides knew of Jordan's debt in advance.
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  2. SamFisher

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    b-but I thought felons were for Kerry? That's what Gweenie and Yosemite told me...?:confused:
     
  3. RocketMan Tex

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    Ya mean criminals, some of them felons, support candidates in both major political parties?

    Yet Katherine Harris is allowed to disenfranchise 55,000 Florida minority voters in 2000.

    In other news, water is wet.
     
  4. MadMax

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    Woofer --

    you're aware that the events of the Enron scandal occurred during the clinton administration, right??

    greed and corruption knows no political preference. seriously, haven't we all learned that by now?
     
  5. GladiatoRowdy

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    No kidding. The members of both major political parties are completely beholden to the people who get them elected: The money men.
     
  6. Woofer

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    Bush got to be governor of Texas on the back of those same Enron executives and the Enron executives were major Bush backers in the 2000 election and got to know Bush so well they got personal nicknames, which Bush conveniently forgot when they came up in a press conference after their indictments.

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    I distinctly remember Western states complaining to the federal agency about pricing fixing and energy when this was happening, and having the recent majority Republican appointees turn a deaf ear. This did not just happen under Clinton. The voice recordings of the energy traders gleefully working the system was definitely on Bush's watch.
     
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  7. rimrocker

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    One Businessman for Kerry...
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    Lee Iacocca's Remarks Endorsing John Kerry for President


    June 24, 2004

    San Jose, CA


    Mayor Gonzales, thank you for that kind introduction, and thank all of you for this very warm welcome. Nice to be back in San Jose, by the way – I used to have a Ford plant here in Milpitas. We built a lot of Mustangs up there. This place is really – you know, I am supposed to be retired, but I sort of flunked it, I think, a little. In the past 10 years, I haven’t been playing much golf at all.

    What have I been doing? I’ve been out making speeches, and I’m not running for anything, by the way. I’ve been talking to lots of CEOs of companies and of countries all over the world, and I’ve talked always about one subject: change. Economic change, technological change and political change. And how you adapt to all that change, because if you don’t, you sort of die.

    I’m here today because our country needs a change in leadership.

    We need a leader who is really dedicated to creating millions of high-paying jobs all across the country. The bottom line is simple: We need a new CEO and President.

    And I gotta tell you, I say this not as a partisan but as an unabashed patriot: I’m here today for the same reason I spent 22 years leading the campaign to restore the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island. I love this country. I came from a family of poor immigrants. We revered Franklin Roosevelt for what he did to help struggling families during the Depression.

    My very first Presidential ballot – that’s how old I am – was cast for Harry Truman – unsurprisingly, an idol of mine. Why? Because he told it like it was. And he was a doer. With Harry, the buck really did stop here.

    I’ve been friendly with every President since Lyndon Johnson, and over time I became less and less partisan – I guess that goes with age, I’m not sure. But in each election, I voted my conscience and supported who I thought was the best man for the job.

    I never actively campaigned for anybody, except in 1980 and 1984 for Ronald Reagan and in 2000 for George W. Bush. I was deeply involved in the Bush campaign, stumping for him in Michigan and Pennsylvania, where I spent most of my life. I hate to tell you this now, I even appeared in a couple of Bush campaign ads.

    But this year I’m supporting John Kerry to be the next President of the United States.


    All of my best friends are Republicans, and they ask me, “Are you crazy or something? Why are you doing this?” Well, it’s simple. I tell them the world is changing. Our country is changing. And we need a leader who understands that change that’s taking place. And most important, we need a leader who will level with us about how we can adapt to that change and make things change for the better.

    I’ve met privately with John Kerry, I’ve talked with him, I read all his position papers, and I would suggest you do likewise. I like him. And I’m endorsing him to be our next President because I like what he says about getting every American a fair shot at a secure, well-paying job so they can provide for their families – provide for their families and enjoy life a little more.

    You know, sometimes it seems like my whole life has been about jobs. I even got fired from a big one one time. But without jobs for all those people who are willing and able to work, everything else fails. Just take my word for that.

    When I headed Chrysler in the ’70s, I worked with Jimmy Carter and Tip O’Neill to save that company and 600,000 jobs. In the 1980s I campaigned with Ronald Reagan at Chrysler plants, always talking about the same thing: jobs. In 1988 I was one of six private-sector leaders that were asked to serve on the National Jobs and Economic Commission, which was formed to come up with an economic game plan for the country.

    We didn’t do too hot, by the way – we sort of failed.

    It’s also why 18 years ago I started a thing called the Iacocca Institute – if you pardon me – at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania, to do one thing: help make America more competitive in manufacturing. It’s key.

    The keys to America's manufacturing success are simple: skilled workers, adequate capital investment, and, as Senator Kerry will discuss with you in a few minutes, innovation. Brains. R&D.

    The fact is, we can’t compete unless our technology is world-class and cutting-edge. We cannot create new high-paying jobs unless America is the world’s leader in the industries of the future. And John Kerry understands that.

    John Kerry would make a great commander-in-chief, I have no doubt about that. He would also make one hell of a CEO. That’s what a President is.

    He knows how to surround himself with good people, and he knows how to set priorities. He’s a doer. And he does know how to make a tough decision now and then, believe me.

    And most of all, John Kerry has a clear plan for where he wants to take the country, and what he’ll do as President in his first hundred days and then in his first two years, halfway through his first term.

    And there’s another thing that John Kerry’s done that’s really impressed me, as a CEO of many years. In my 50 years in the auto business, I’ve always kept in front of me a hotlist – a hotlist of 10 priorities to move the company forward. I would address those personally almost on a daily basis, and guess what? John Kerry’s done that for the country, drawing up his own 10 national priority list.

    By the way, he’s got such a great website – just go ask him what he’s going to do the first hundred days, and he’s got 10 priorities. I’m carrying them in my pocket now – I’m going to hold him to it when he becomes President, by the way. So he’s already a good CEO. He operates the way I used to operate.

    But the main thing, he’s able to take charge and to change the direction of our nation. That’s really why I’m here. We’re going in the wrong direction.

    So today I’m joining the Kerry team – as a front-line worker, I guess – I think in their jobs division or department or wherever I land. I will try to offer advice and consult with the Senator and do whatever I can to make him the next President.

    Now, I’m doing this not as a Democrat or Republican, but as an American, simply.

    I have two great causes left in my life. One is to find a cure for diabetes. I’ve been working on it for about 21 years now, and believe it or not, we’ve had a couple of breakthroughs. We’re getting closer, really.

    The other is to change the direction of my country. To do that, we need a great leader, and it’s – believe me – a real honor for me to be able to introduce that leader, the next President of the United States, John Kerry.




    http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0624a.html
     
  8. MadMax

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    you're right, Woofer. Republicans are always wrong and Democrats are always right. Good and evil.

    Be careful or you'll become what you hate.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    I agree that no party comes out squeaky clean when it comes to corporate favors and corruption.

    I will point out that while Enron happened under Clinton, Bill wasn't flying on the Enron CEO's jet, so the participants in this particular scandal may seem to have closer ties to Bush.
     
  10. michecon

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    Why would people put any significance in some isolated incident to discredit a candidate is beyond me. So, this person is still in debt, someone in the Bush Administration screwed up in picking her as an example. Big freaking deal.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    An isolated incident? Yeah, ok. This is the first mistake they've made. I can't think of any other mistakes the administration has made.
     
  12. mc mark

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    Well we know from his own words that Jr hasn't made any.
     
  13. rimrocker

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    Is Jesse Helms experiencing an Atwater-like conversion?

    "I would not have voted for [President Bush's] tax cut, based on what I know. . . . There is no doubt that the people at the top who need a tax break the least will get the most benefit. . . . Too often presidents do things that don't end up helping the people they should be helping, and their staffs won't tell them their actions stink on ice."

    -- Former senator Jesse Helms (R-N.C.), in a recent interview with Business North Carolina magazine.
     

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