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  1. OddsOn

    OddsOn Member

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    Spy swap puts halt to fact finding

    Public trial of 10 Russian agents could have led to revelations

    The Obama administration's rapid release of 10 Russian intelligence officers removed the prospect of a public trial revealing embarrassing facts about Russian influence operations, like the targeting of a key Democratic Party financier close to Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    Current and former national security officials critical of the speedy exchange with Moscow also said trading the 10 spies for four Russians less than two weeks after their arrest also limited U.S. counterspies from learning important details of Russian espionage and influence operations.

    Questions about the handling of the case were raised Tuesday during a closed-door briefing of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

    Rep. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, the ranking Republican on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, questioned the unprecedented speed used by the administration in moving the spies out of the country.

    "We gave up the opportunity," he said. "Now that these people are out of the country, it's game off, not game on. We will get no additional insights or information from them."

    Mr. Hoekstra said the House intelligence oversight panel will be briefed on the case this week and "tough questions" will be raised about the swap. "Right now, it looks like this is one time the government should have been a little more deliberate and taken its time before acting in haste," he said.

    The swap of the 10 "illegals," or deep-cover agents, last week — 12 days after their arrest — also prevented trial disclosures of other potentially embarrassing details, like the identities of what an FBI criminal complaint described as a "former legislative counsel for the U.S. Congress" and "former high-ranking United States government national security official" both of whom provided information to two Boston-based Russians in the case. Both officials' names were omitted from the complaint.

    The Russian SVR foreign intelligence service also asked its spies to provide information on the new strategic arms treaty, the war in Afghanistan and Iran's nuclear program, indications that Moscow is working covertly against U.S. efforts on those issues, despite efforts by President Obama and Mrs. Clinton to "reset" U.S.-Russia relations.

    Law enforcement and intelligence officials close to the case said politics did not play a role in the decision to quickly swap the spies for the four Russians held on intelligence-related charges by Moscow. They also dismissed the idea that more information would have been gained from holding the spies longer. The exchange took place Saturday in Vienna, Austria.

    CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano dismissed as a "bizarre notion" that there was an effort to "cover up Russian influence operations" in the case, something he said was "never part of the picture."

    The Obama administration's rapid release of 10 Russian intelligence officers removed the prospect of a public trial revealing embarrassing facts about Russian influence operations, like the targeting of a key Democratic Party financier close to Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    Current and former national security officials critical of the speedy exchange with Moscow also said trading the 10 spies for four Russians less than two weeks after their arrest also limited U.S. counterspies from learning important details of Russian espionage and influence operations.

    Questions about the handling of the case were raised Tuesday during a closed-door briefing of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

    Rep. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, the ranking Republican on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, questioned the unprecedented speed used by the administration in moving the spies out of the country.

    "We gave up the opportunity," he said. "Now that these people are out of the country, it's game off, not game on. We will get no additional insights or information from them."

    Mr. Hoekstra said the House intelligence oversight panel will be briefed on the case this week and "tough questions" will be raised about the swap. "Right now, it looks like this is one time the government should have been a little more deliberate and taken its time before acting in haste," he said.

    The swap of the 10 "illegals," or deep-cover agents, last week — 12 days after their arrest — also prevented trial disclosures of other potentially embarrassing details, like the identities of what an FBI criminal complaint described as a "former legislative counsel for the U.S. Congress" and "former high-ranking United States government national security official" both of whom provided information to two Boston-based Russians in the case. Both officials' names were omitted from the complaint.

    The Russian SVR foreign intelligence service also asked its spies to provide information on the new strategic arms treaty, the war in Afghanistan and Iran's nuclear program, indications that Moscow is working covertly against U.S. efforts on those issues, despite efforts by President Obama and Mrs. Clinton to "reset" U.S.-Russia relations.

    Law enforcement and intelligence officials close to the case said politics did not play a role in the decision to quickly swap the spies for the four Russians held on intelligence-related charges by Moscow. They also dismissed the idea that more information would have been gained from holding the spies longer. The exchange took place Saturday in Vienna, Austria.

    CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano dismissed as a "bizarre notion" that there was an effort to "cover up Russian influence operations" in the case, something he said was "never part of the picture."

    The Russians spies, according to the FBI complaint, were tasked with developing sources in government, the business community and academia who could provide secrets and other information useful to Moscow.

    The criminal complaint stated that in February 2009 a New Jersey-based Russian, who posed as Cynthia Murphy and was later identified as SVR officer Lydia Guryev, met several times with a "prominent New York-based financier" who was active in politics and a "active fundraiser" for a "major political party, name omitted." He also was described as a "personal friend of [a current Cabinet official, name omitted]."

    In response, the SVR wrote back to Guryev in a message intercepted by the FBI that the financier was checked in the Russian intelligence database and found to be "clean," or free from intelligence connections.

    "Of course he is very interesting 'target,'" the SVR said. "Try to build up little by little relations with him moving beyond just [work] framework," the intercepted SVR message said. "Maybe he can provide [Murphy] with remarks re: US foreign policy 'rumors' [sic] about White House internal 'kitchen', invite her to venues (to major political party HQ in NYC, for instance). … In short, consider carefully all options in regard to [financier]."

    In a statement issued June 30, Mr. Patricof said he met Guryev, whom he knew as "Cindy Murphy," after retaining a financial service to handle his personal bookkeeping, bill paying, accounting and tax services.

    "During the course of that time, I met with her a limited number of times and spoke with her frequently on the phone on matters relating to my personal finances," Mr. Patricof said. "We never — not once — discussed any matter other than my finances and certainly she never inquired about, nor did we ever discuss, any matters relating to politics, the government, or world affairs."

    Mr. Patricof said she had been employed by the company some 10 years before he became a client. "I highly doubt that I could have been an intended target by her."

    Mr. Patricof, through a spokeswoman, declined to answer questions about whether the FBI investigated the intelligence targeting or whether other Russians or their agents may have been involved in seeking information from him.

    State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley, asked whether Mrs. Clinton was the Cabinet official mentioned in the complaint, said in an e-mail that "there is no reason to believe that the Secretary of State was a special target of this spy ring."

    Ms. Van Cleave and other former counterintelligence and intelligence officials questioned whether the quick spy exchange hampered efforts to fully unravel Russian espionage and influence efforts in the United States, information that is needed for a damage assessment and other information needed for stopping other, unidentified spies.

    "I am concerned that [the swap] happened so quickly and that we'll pay a price," said Ms. Van Cleave said.

    Kenneth E. deGraffenreid, Ms. Van Cleave's former deputy at the Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive, also criticized the rapid spy exchange.

    "Although many tried to make a celebrity joke out of the recent stunning spy case, the danger for American security from Russian and other 'illegals,' 'sleepers' and clandestine influence operations, remains real and strategic," he said, adding that the rush to complete a deal "may reflect far more than an attempt to kiss up to them in the name of detente reset."

    Past difficulties with the FBI's Chinagate investigation of Beijing's U.S. political influence operation, and politically charged disclosures from the current trial of former Illinois Gov. Rod R. Blagoevich "may have been primary reasons that the subject of influence operations was hustled off stage so quickly," Mr. deGraffenreid said.

    Former CIA officer S. Eugene Poteat said that from his perspective outside government the spy investigation apparently was rolled up quickly for unknown reasons. As a result, a "political decision" likely was made by senior Obama administration officials to make a quick trade, he said.

    "The intelligence community that I'm familiar with would never have gone along with dumping them so quick," said Mr. Poteat, now head of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers.

    Former Pentagon official Frank Gaffney said releasing the spies so quickly prevented full learning about Moscow's influence operations and its targets. "I was very troubled when the administration moved so swiftly to shut the whole thing down and send these people to where they could no longer be debriefed," he said.

    The administration was either trying to prevent damage to U.S.-Russia relations by making the swap, or the administration wanted to avoid disclosures about Russian influence targets and their ties to people like Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Gaffney said.

    Sen. Saxby Chambliss, Georgia Republican who was in the Senate briefing, said he is satisfied with the administration's handling of the case. Without providing details, he said critical questions were answered.

    "This is one of the best operations the CIA and FBI cooperated on," he said. "They've been monitoring these folks for a long time. They knew what was going on, they knew as much as the individuals did on their own."
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    We negotiated the speedy release of Americans in Russian jails and now some people are trying to make it a partisan issue. Why am I not surprised?
     
  3. OddsOn

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    Yeah except there is a protocol that is usually followed when there is a breach in national security like this.

    this doesn't pass the smell test...
     
  4. JuanValdez

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    They were following these spies for up to a decade, right? I'm not concerned that we didn't spend enough time researching these guys. (And, I imagine if there was anything particulary embarassing for Democrats, this would have come out just before the last presidential election, when Bush could still control the message.)
     
  5. Rashmon

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    Exactly. Odd Son discounts the fact that we have been tracking these guys for a decade because it does not fit his well constructed paradigm of ideas.

    We know more about these spies than their mothers.
     
  6. justtxyank

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    I'm willing to bet Anna gave sex for favors.
     
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    She's kinda hot.
     
  8. Major

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    So you're calling the CIA and FBI liars, correct? Based on the opinions of a bunch of people unaffiliated with the case?
     

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