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America about to shamed before the world on Italian Satellite TV

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Nov 7, 2005.

  1. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    I pray that this isn't true.

    And the writer, Giuliana Sgrena, is the woman that was kidnapped and then released only to have her driver murdered and her car shot at by "mistake" by US soilders as she was being rescued. Hum.... Maybe someone didn't want her story to get out?


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    Italian Satellite TV to Broadcast Evidence of US Use of Chemical Weapons on Civilians

    Mon Nov 07, 2005 at 09:08:19 AM PDT

    Italian media going full-bore on the Bush Administration. After its revelations on the subterfuge behind the Nigergate forgeries, documentary evidence of the use by US troops of phosphorus and a new formulaton of napalm [MK77] on the Sunni civilian population will be broadcast tomorrow on international satellite TV.

    Global coverage of the atrocity, folks.

    A news program on Italian satellite TV, RAI News 24, has substantiated the claim that the US military has been exploiting the dual use of white phosporus. In its siege of Fallujah, the chemical was used on the civilian populace. The story is in today's Repubblica. The Bush Adminstration and the DoD are about to be shamed before the eyes of the world.

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    Shocking revelation RAI News 24. Use of chemical weapons by the US military in Iraq. Veteran admits: Bodies melted away before us.

    White phosphorous used on the civilian populace: This is how the US "took" Fallujah.

    New napalm formula also used.

    ROME. In soldier slang they call it Willy Pete. The technical name is white phosphorus. In theory its purpose is to illumine enemy positions in the dark. In practice, it was used as a chemical weapon in the rebel stronghold of Fallujah. And it was used not only against enemy combatants and guerrillas, but again innocent civilians. The Americans are responsible for a massacre using unconventional weapons, the identical charge for which Saddam Hussein stands accused. An investigation by RAI News 24, the all-news Italian satellite television channel, has pulled the veil from one of the most carefully concealed mysteries from the front in the entire US military campaign in Iraq.

    A US veteran of the Iraq war told RAI New correspondent Sigfrido Ranucci this: I received the order use caution because we had used white phosphorus on Fallujah. In military slag it is called 'Willy Pete'. Phosphorus burns the human body on contact--it even melts it right down to the bone.

    RAI News 24's investigative story, Fallujah, The Concealed Massacre, will be broadcast tomorrow on RAI-3 and will contain not only eye-witness accounts by US military personnel but those from Fallujah residents. A rain of fire descended on the city. People who were exposed to those multicolored substance began to burn. We found people with bizarre wounds-their bodies burned but their clothes intact, relates Mohamad Tareq al-Deraji, a biologist and Fallujah resident.

    I gathered accounts of the use of phosphorus and napalm from a few Fallujah refugees whom I met before being kidnapped, says Manifesto reporter Giuliana Sgrena, who was kidnapped in Fallujah last February, in a recorded interview. I wanted to get the story out, but my kidnappers would not permit it.

    RAI News 24 will broadcast video and photographs taken in the Iraqi city during and after the November 2004 bombardment which prove that the US military, contrary to statements in a December 9 communiqué from the US Department of State, did not use phosphorus to illuminate enemy positions (which would have been legitimate) but instend dropped white phosphorus indiscriminately and in massive quantities on the city's neighborhoods.

    In the investigative story, produced by Maurizio Torrealta, dramatic footage is shown revealing the effects of the bombardment on civilians, women and children, some of whom were surprised in their sleep.

    The investigation will also broadcast documentary proof of the use in Iraq of a new napalm formula called MK77. The use of the incendiary substance on civilians is forbidden by a 1980 UN treaty. The use of chemical weapons is forbidden by a treaty which the US signed in 1997

    Fallujah. La strage nascosta [Fallujah, The Concealed Massacre] will be shown on RAI News tomorrow November 8th at 07:35 (via HOT BIRDTM statellite, Sky Channel 506 and RAI-3), and rebroadcast by HOT BIRDTM satellite and Sky Channel 506 at 17:00 [5 pm] and over the next two days.

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/7/11819/9522
     
  2. bigtexxx

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    Daily Kos + Repubblica = a crock of bs
     
  3. mc mark

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    Is RAI News 24 part of that crock?
     
  4. Bullard4Life

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    Wow. No wonder Bush had a problem with the ICC allowing political officials to be prosecuted...
     
  5. wnes

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    lol, texxx. your list is growing. Do you mind showing us the current one?
     
  6. Uprising

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    lol. I'll believe it when I see it.

    And America is about to be shamed? Please....
     
  7. mc mark

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    As I said Uprising. I pray it's not true. But it can't be denied that this news broadcast will be shown around the world on satellite. And whether we accept it as truth or not, other countries and people will form an opinion.

    Either good or bad.
     
  8. Zboy

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    Wow, this is really really sad. What have we become? :(
     
  9. bigtexxx

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    Daily Kos is an extreme left-wing BLOG. Batman Jones has quoted it a few times, LOL.
     
  10. wnes

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    Willy Pete isn't as bad as DU. It's phosphorous - something the human body needs anyway.

    "Terrorists" either burn in hell or on earth. We might just burn them on earth to save god some work.
     
  11. mc mark

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    Granted, it's a left wing blog. But texxx they are just reporting that an Italian TV station is going to run a program. They didn't write the program or have anything to do with its production.

    Can you comment on the possible issue of the program? Wouldn't you be heartbroken if the US did in fact use chemical weapons on civilians?
     
  12. Zboy

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    Is this a trick question? :D
     
  13. insane man

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    true that happened when we re-elected dubya.
     
  14. HayesStreet

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    I'm confused about the charge. Willy pete is a standard weapon of most of the world's militaries. Its use is common especially in urban fighting. That some civilians got hurt in the battle for Fallujah is not a suprise, although tragic. It is still a big leap that troops were ordered to TARGET civilians.

    On a more general note, this is NOT the same as using mustard gas or sarin to kill a whole cities populace (as the article would attempt to make analogous to Saddam's massacre of the Kurds).
     
  15. mc mark

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    Here's the story from an Italian news source.



    IRAQ: ITALIAN TV ALLEGES U.S. USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN FALLUJAH


    Rome, 7 Nov. (AKI) - A documentary to be aired on Tuesday by Italian state satellite TV channel RAI News 24 alleges that US troops used chemical weapons during their assault on the insurgent stronghold of Fallujah in November last year. The documentary - 'Fallujah - the hidden massacre' - uses witness accounts from former US soldiers, Fallujah residents, video footage and photographs, to support its claim that contrary to US State Department denials, white phosphorous was used indiscriminately on the city, causing terrible injuries to civilians, including women and children.

    "I heard the order being issued to be careful because white phosphorous was being used on Fallujah. In military slang this is known as Willy Pete. Phosphorous burns bodies, melting the flesh right down to the bone," says one former US solider, interviewed by the documentary's director, Sigfrido Ranucci.

    "I saw the burned bodies of women and children. The phosophorous explodes and forms a plume. Who ever is within a 150 metre radius has no hope," the former soldier adds.

    "A rain of fire came down on the city, and people targeted by the different coloured substances began to burn. We found people dead, with strange injuries, with their clothes intact," a biologist from Fallujah, Mohamad Tareq al-Deraji tells Ranucci.

    The evidence in 'Fallujah - the hidden massacre' claims to show the US forces did not use phosphorous in the legitimate way - to highlight enemy positions - but dropped the substance indiscriminately on the city, and on a massive scale. The documentary also shows the terrible damage wrought by the US bombardment of Fallujah, and the carnage to civilians, some of whom lay sleeping.

    Equally disturbingly, a document in the report claims to prove that the U.S. forces have used the MK77 form of Napalm - the chemical used with devastating effect on civilians during the Vietnam war - on civilians in Iraq.

    "I had gathered testimonials on the use of phosphorous and Napalm in Iraq from several refugees from Fallujah, and wanted to tell the world about it, but my kidnappers would not allow me to," said Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, held hostage in Iraq earlier this year, during the documentary.

    The use of white phosophorous and Napalm is prohibited by UN conventions. Moroever, the United States signed up to the Chemical Weapons Convention in 1997.

    http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.226404219&par=0#
     
  16. Ty_Webb

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    I am hoping/doubting this allegation is completely true, but considering who is running the country today and what has transpired over the last 4 years, who knows any more.

    Nothing that happens under the Bush administration surprises me anymore. Torture, invading countries on false pretenses, outing our own spies, firing people who have the balls to tell the truth, hiring Arabian Horse Judges to head FEMA, nominating the most ridiculously under qualified person to the Supreme court, etc… Just one screw/black eye after another.
     
  17. mc mark

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    Well there ya go...

    going all hayes on me again...

    :)

     
  18. HayesStreet

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    That's me! :eek:

    The US isn't a signatory of the 1980 UN Convention you quote. As for the 1997 convention I guess we'd have to see what it says. I doubt it says the military can't use WP or it wouldn't still be in the arsenal.

    EDIT: Actually re-reading your second article shows your interpretation to be flawed as it distinguishes between legitimate and non-legitimate uses. So its 'use' is not banned.
     
  19. wnes

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    How come there's no religious discussion in this thread?
     
  20. Dubious

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    I know I'd rather be blown up by conventional ordinance than burned by phospherous, really, it's just so much more humane.
     

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