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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by No Worries, Sep 24, 2004.

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  1. No Worries

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    I saw the video of Allawi speaking to Congress yesterday. Funny thing I noticed was that as he entered he shook hands with Congressmen with his LEFT hand. I thought that was an Arab tabu. If it is not, then nevermind ;)
     
  2. basso

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    odd strategy of kerry's, dissing allawi. not sure why he thinks this'll be a winner with swing voters. perhaps he's just speaking to the base, hoping to shore up down-ticket candidates. he's written off missouri, which stills seems fairly close in most polls...his tsrategy seems to be win every state gore won, then pick up either fla. or ohio. does slamming iraqi democracy, and iraq's new leaders, help that?
     
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    Can't figure that one out either. Kerry's never even been to Iraq but I guess he knows more about what's going on over there than the Iraqi Prime Minister.

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  4. basso

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    this may be the moment we look back to on nov.3 and say, "that's when the kerry campaign jumped the shark." truly disgraceful comments from joe lockhart about allawi being a puppet, and it's rhetoric that plays into the hands of the terrorists.
     
  5. Baqui99

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    Allawi is a puppet. The vast majority of Iraqis don't support him.
     
  6. basso

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    you know this how?
     
  7. Baqui99

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    Allawi's lack of public support has been well publicized.

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,644477,00.html

    Tuesday, Jun. 01, 2004
    Iraqis have a strong sense of irony — every discussion about politics or economics in this country seems to begin with a sardonic or mordant observation: Isn't it odd that a nation with the world's second-largest oil reserves should also have mile-long queues at gas stations? Isn't it strange that the Americans, who made such a big deal of Saddam Hussein's treatment of prisoners, brutalized their own Iraqi captives in Abu Ghraib? And so on.

    So, it was entirely appropriate that discussion over the appointment of Iraq's new interim government was laced with its own special irony: The two men at the top of the list announced Tuesday were just last month ranked bottom of a list of potential leaders — by their own countrymen.

    A poll conducted in May by the Iraq Center for Research and Strategic Studies (ICRSS) asked Iraqis to rank 17 prominent religious and political leaders. Iyad Allawi, Prime Minister of the interim government that will take over administrative power from the Coalition Provisional Authority on June 30, finished in sixteenth place. Behind him, dead last, came Ghazi al-Yawer, who on Tuesday was named president of the interim government.

    The most popular leader in Iraq, according to the ICRSS survey, was the country's leading Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani. Also high up: Ibrahim al-Jaafari, a leader of the Shiite Dawa party named as one of two vice-presidents in the new administration, and Adnan Pachachi, the Sunni elder statesman and preferred presidential candidate of the U.S. who was offered the post but turned it down in the face of objections from some the Iraqi Governing Council.

    What's more, the results of the ICRSS May survey suggest that the new president and prime minister had both been slipping in Iraqis' estimation — in a similar poll conducted last September, Allawi had ranked Number 10 out of 25, and al-Yawer Number 18.

    Why do Iraqis have such a poor opinion of Allawi? Sadoun al-Dulame, executive director of the ICRSS, pointed to one reason: "Every newspaper that has reported about his appointment has mentioned his CIA connection." Although Allawi has sniped at the U.S.-led Coalition in recent months, it's his ties to Langley that seem to have registered with Iraqis. (His organization, the Iraqi National Accord, is funded by the CIA.) "He's a CIA man, like [Ahmed] Chalabi," said Raed Abu Hassan, a Baghdad University political science post-grad. "In this country, CIA connections are political poison." It doesn't help that the Shiite Allawi is also a former Baathist, and a returning exile. Many Iraqis are scornful of politicians who left the country during the Saddam era.

    And al-Yawer? Most Iraqis don't know him all that well — one of the reasons he came in last on the poll. Nearly a third of those polled said they had not heard enough about him to have an opinion. As a leading figure in a northern Iraqi tribe, he kept a low profile until the very end of the behind-the-scenes political power play that led to his nomination. Said al-Dulame: "He's a non-controversial figure. He's never been part of the political system, he was never a figure of the opposition during the Saddam era."

    Since Allawi will be the one running the government, his lack of popularity could be especially problematic. The danger, say some commentators, is that his entire administration may be undermined by association. "The selection of Allawi means that the very first step towards June 30 is a misstep," said Sheikh Mohammed Basher al-Faidi, spokesman for the Association of Muslim Scholars, the most powerful grouping of Sunni clergy. "And when the first step is wrong, then the journey is bound to be a difficult one."

    Tainted by his CIA association, Allawi may find it hard to reach out to groups such as al-Faidi's, that have a substantial following among Iraqis. "We can offer him advice if he asks for it," says al-Faidi. "But we can't put our hands in his hands. Iraqi people would regard us as traitors if we did."

    Like many Iraqis, al-Faidi blames the Americans — and especially CPA boss Paul Bremer — for Allawi's appointment. But many also finger Lakhdar Brahimi, the United Nations envoy who was charged with helping select the new government. Mahmoud Othman, a member of the Governing Council, was pulling no punches. "After weeks and weeks of talking with all sorts of Iraqis, he goes and picks somebody from the GC?" he said. "What was the point of this long, complicated exercise, all those long consultations? And what happened to his ideas about picking technocrats to run the new government?" Asked whether Allawi's CIA ties would make him an unpopular choice in Iraqi eyes, he said: "That's one of the things Brahimi has to answer for."

    Still, some Iraqis seem prepared to give the new government the benefit of the doubt. "I don't care who their masters are — CIA, the Saudis, Iran — as long as they stop these daily bombings and provide jobs for people," said Assad Faazi, a Baghdad job-seeker. "I will forgive them everything if they make my life better."

     
  8. underoverup

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    and now you know basso.
     
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    there's alot of "some" and "many" qualifications in that particular article, and even if one were to auume the accuracy of the poll, a big assupmtion, it still doesn't mean iraqis don't support his government, nor does it excuse the kerry campaign's comments.
     
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    A puppet, and a CIA operative.
     
  11. No Worries

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    and a state sponsered terrorist.

    At times like these, I realized God has a vey well defined sense of humor.
     
  12. pippendagimp

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    i don't want to start any blasphemous rumours, but i too think that God has a sick sense of humour..
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    I wouldn't consider criticizing the a man who is a CIA U.S. puppet leader with little support in Iraq a bad thing. Some might disagree with it, but I don't think it spells doom for the Kerry campaign or anything like that.
     
  14. Baqui99

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    Quoting Depeche Mode in a political thread. Outstanding. :)
     
  15. Mulder

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    and knowing is half the battle.


    "Anyone can help an accident, but lying makes it worse... Face up to what you've done. Don't take the easy way out. Remember, it's better to tell the truth."


    GI JOE!
     
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    it was a split-second choice b/t either that or extending kudos on your kobe style ass massacre w/ the should-have-been-silencing article you posted.....but i felt the latter was already obvious enough ;)
     
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    Good to see the high level of knowlege of the terrorist that we are sponsoring. He blew up innocents in a cinema. We consider Palestinians who do this type of activity "terrorists" who are subhuman.

    Why does Bush hobnob with terrorists? Sadly it is part of a double standard.

    Conceivably Allawi is better than the last Iraqi who hobnobbed with Bush, Chalabi, who turned out to probably be a spy for the Iranians. Of course, Allawi and Chalabi are related.

    According to former CIA officers, Allawi's INA organised terrorist attacks in Iraq between 1992 and 1995, allegedly including the bombing of a cinema and a school bus that killed school children.

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    http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040924/D85A78C80.html

    For the second day in a row, Vice President Cheney also criticized Kerry for his remarks on Allawi.

    "I must say I was appalled at the complete lack of respect Senator Kerry showed for this man of courage," Cheney said at an event Friday morning in Lafayette, La. "Ayad Allawi is our ally. He stands beside us in the war against terror. John Kerry is trying to tear him down and to trash all the good that has been accomplished, and his words are destructive."


    This is the stuff that would make a great MoveOn ad.
     
  19. basso

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    cheney speaks truth to cower...
     
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    Cheney is a "d"ick and that "d"ick speaks no truth!
     

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