Please break down your vote. You can use this scheme: Frontcourt Backcourt Bench Offense Defense Chemistry (how do players fit on the court) Or just explain the main weaknesses / strengths that you think will determine the winner. Voters: all participants and VBG and IzakDavid13 as outside judges. Anyone else welcome as well, as long as you explain your vote. Yung-T PG - Chris Paul SG - Chris Mullin SF - LeBron James PF - David Robinson C - Bill Walton Bench PG - Alvin Robertson SG - David Thompson SF - Michael Cooper PF - Bobby Jones C - Pau Gasol vs. Jmcballer88 PG Jason Kidd SG Reggie Miller SF Alex English PF Elvin Hayes C Wilt Chamberlain Bench PG: Penny Hardaway SG: Michael Redd SF: Elgin Baylor PF: Wes Unseld C: Bob Lanier
FC jmcnasty wilt is a beast BC jmcnasty barely.. Kidd miller would be amazing. Kidd is arguably the greatest defender and super tough at PG. that's an awesome combo. Bench yung T.. I wasn't even born before half of theose guys prime. I love mike coop and thompson though! Offense jmcnasty Kidd w/shooters and mr 100? Defense Yung T chemistry yung T cp3 and Lebron combo with some decent big men. Wow tough choice... I love yung T's BC for starters and bench.. Mike coop/Thompson would be an awesome bench and cp3/bron. Can't beat that.. But I like jmc starters more of the Kidd/miller/wilt and I don't like his bench. I'll give this one to yung tizzle his BC is too good. Gl to both jmcnasty and yung T Winner yung t
FC: Tizzle Close one. I take Lebron over English and The Admiral over Elvin Hayes, but Wilt destroys Bill Walton. BC:JMC Kidd in his prime took the Nets to back to back finals. Also, It's MILLER TIME. Bench: JMC Unseld, Baylor, Penny, Redd in his prime (olympics i guess) and Lanier are a solid starting line up, so to have this as a bench is very good. Offense: JMC Tough to compete with Wilt, Alex English, Reggie Miller, and Elvin Hayes especially with Kidd running the Offense. Defense: Tizzle Walton Robinson LBJ and CP3 are all Defensive studs. Chemistry: JMC Tough choice, but man Kidd in his prime is an ultimate floor general. The way JMC has his team set up will make it easy to score. Good spacing with Wilt down low, Hayes running high post, English and Miller in corners/mid range and Kidd distributing. Tizzle has CP3 and LBJ both like to run point, and both are great passers which is no problem, but D Rob and Walton both need to be in the paint. Miller and English have roles of shooting. Kidd has role of passing. Wilt has a role of 100 pts and Hayes can run high post with the best. Winner: JMC Not going to lie, I really wanted to just vote for Tizzle to win it since he swept me, but I had to vote fair since I wouldnt want someone to vote like that against me. JMC really does have a solid team. VERY CLOSE MATCH UP, but JMC takes it.
Frontcourt LeBron over English (or Baylor) by a mile. But the same applies to Wilt over Walton, even more so. Walton might be more skilled, but Wilt is just a super athlete + extremely strong. I don't see how prime Walton could handle prime Wilt, when there's a 60-70 pound difference in muscle + athleticism disadvantage. And Wilt should keep up in transition with these lighter guys, too. Hayes - Robinson at PF. I'd take Hayes. Overall... I love the ball movement in Yung-T's frontcourt, while Hayes is a black hole. But I think Wilt will be a monster here. Jmc. Backcourt even Kidd and CP3 -- seems about even. Kidd is bigger, stronger, the better defender. CP3 a much better scorer. Both could have a strong case for the 2nd best point guard all time when they retire. Mullin vs. Reggie. Similar too. Both great shooters, first and foremost. Reggie is a bit better there. But Mullin brings more of other things - a bit more passing, rebounding, shot creation, defense. Reggie on the other hand brings extreme mental toughness / clutch-ness and mind games. Besides, Reggie is a god, and Mullin is not. Overall, even. Bench Yung-T It's not a blowout, but I like Yung-T bench more. I think Wes Unseld is more Chuck Hayes than a star today + that bench lacks a defensive stopper at wing/guard. Penny played solid D, but he wasn't great by any means. So when Kidd sits, the team will be at disadvantage defensively at 1-2-3. Defense Yung-T, bench and LeBron are the main advantages here, but defending Wilt will be a problem. Offense Jmc Mainly because of Wilt. You can't help on him much because of all the jump shooters. Also, that bench is great, offensively. Yung-T will have a very good offense too, with a lot of ball movement, speed and athleticism. Chemistry even. Yung-T has more passing in his lineup, the ball will move very well and unpredictably. Jmc has a very clear Kidd-Wilt core, with one of them passing to jump shooters and cutters. I like both. Overall... I'll say Jmc in 7, but I could as well toss a coin. Wilt will get into foul trouble in some games, especially with LeBron going at the rim. In others, he will have his way with Bill Walton.
Frontcourt: Wilt vs Walton: I think Walton is being underestimated here. How can people say that its a huge mismatch when Bill Russell guarded Wilt when he was only around 6'9-6'10 without shoes? Wilt definitely dominates this matchup since offensively dominant centers like Wilt and Shaq are impossible to stop. However, Walton can at least slow him down a tad. Overall, Wilt has a huge edge offensively, while Walton has a small edge defensively. Lebron vs English: Lebron is way better than English at everything(Baylor should be starting imo....). David Robinson vs Hayes: David Robinson. Better defensively and offensively. Hayes scores less and rebounded less if you adjust stats with pace(significantly lower TRB% than Drob and their scoring averages are similar even though Hayes played in an era with a lot faster pace and scoring). Not to mention DRob was a way way more efficient scorer. David Robinson handily. Overall, Wilt has a huge edge over peak Walton due to offense but Lebron and Drob own their matchups. Slight edge to Yung. Backcourt: CP3 vs Kidd: Since this is peak I give CP3 a slight edge over Kidd. 23/11/5.5/3 on 50% shooting in his best season is phenomenal. Kidd made it to the Finals twice but the East was pitiful at that point. Both Kidd and CP3 are capable of running elite-super elite offenses. Kidd is the better defender, CP3 is the better scorer. Overall, better scoring is more important for a PG and peak CP3 is the better scorer by a decent margin. Mullin vs Miller: No Miller is not significantly better than Mullin. I hate how overrated this guy is. I have heard people say that he is a top 5 SG all time or even top 3 SG. He is one of the best shooters of all time but he is a poor playmaker, rebounder, and defender..... Career wise Miller is obviously better but remember Mullin was a 25/6/5 on 50% shooting caliber player in his peak(dam alcohol problems!). Peak Mullin was actually a more efficient scorer, better defender, better passer, and better rebounder. Overall slight edge to Mullin(due to Miller being clutch. Edge Yung. Bench: JMC. More overall talent but its pretty close imo(baylor, Penny). Offense: Wash. Wilt will score a lot but he will be slowed down by Walton and DRob. CP3 is a better scorer than Kidd by a lot, Lebron is a better scorer than english by a lot, Mullin and Miller are a wash, DRob is a better scorer than Hayes. Overall, no way does the difference between Wilt and Walton (though its very very huge) makes up for this. Defense: Walton, DRob, Lebron as the frontcourt.... CP3 is also a decent defender. Yung Chemistry: I am worried about how two extremely ball dominant players in CP3 and Lebron will mesh. Jmc Overall: Yung in 6 or 7. Yung has a starting unit with better overall talent. It also has a superior frontcourt and backcourt(by a bit). Wilt's production also takes a fairly significant hit in the playoff series mostly in terms of scoring. Getting around 35 points in your peak in the playoffs is great but at that pace and era it is less impressive. With Drob and Bill Walton pestering him he will struggle to score more than 30 a game. He scored around 35 with less talent on his team and playing at a much faster pace.
Thanks for your great post felix, much appreciated. Agree that the Wilt-Walton matchup is gettin too much emphazis here, Russell was a great defender but considerably smaller than Walton(6'9 Russell compared to Walton being unofficially 7'2), no way Wilt smokes him. He never faced someone like Walton and therefore there's no evidence that he would smoke HOF centers of the modern era. Also agree that Mullin is a much better overall player than Reggie and would add more to the team.
Wilt kind of dominated Russell, and it was an era of hard fouls and bad spacing. Russell was at the wrong side of 50 point + games by Wilt many times (7 or 8 iirc). More often than not, it was a question of a great team with a great defensive center (Celtics) vs. a great individual player (Wilt). Rather than Russell beating Wilt. Also worth stressing, Walton was ~7'1 in reality and merely 210 pounds while in Portland. Russell was considerably thicker and stronger. Russell also made up for his size by being extremely athletic. Wilt on the other hand by any available strength measurements was one of the strongest people to ever play in the NBA. Wilt's muscle strength measurements blow Shaq's out of the water (though Shaq had his huge total body mass to make up for it). Portland version of Walton vs. Wilt just doesn't seem like a fair individual matchup to me. Put Wilt on a team with great spacing and secondary scorers, where you can't double team him, and I don't see much that Walton could do individually. You could try hack-a-Wilt basically, since he was a poor free throw shooter, + try to put him into foul trouble on the other end. Which will work at times, and at times not.
Yung-T PG - Chris Paul SG - Chris Mullin SF - LeBron James PF - David Robinson C - Bill Walton Bench PG - Alvin Robertson SG - David Thompson SF - Michael Cooper PF - Bobby Jones C - Pau Gasol vs. Jmcballer88 PG Jason Kidd SG Reggie Miller SF Alex English PF Elvin Hayes C Wilt Chamberlain Don't have much time so here it goes. Backcourt- JMC Kidd will do a good job slowing down CP3 and Mullin and Reggie are both gonna be open all the time. To me, Kidd >Cp3 FC- The PF/C matchup is a wash but Lebron is way better than english. Tizzle Bench- Tie. Both have good benches. JMC has more talent but T's fits better. Offense- Tie- Both teams have great scorers and great inside out game Defense-Tizzle- great defenders everywhere Chemistry- Jmc, Kidd running the team and getting everyone open shots. Cp3 does the same, but prime Kidd was a true floor general. Also, Tizzle has 2 ball dominant players in Lebron and Paul. Might not work that well. Overall, who wins in a 7 game series? Tizzle in 9. They will have to add another 2 games because game 7 went to 13 overtimes and they couldn't decide a winner so they just stopped. In that game, Reggie and Mullin went back and forth and kept hitting 3's. The pf/centers died of exhaustion.
