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All NBA draft Matchup 2 Arjun vs. dharocks

Discussion in 'Fantasy Sports' started by Spooner, Sep 14, 2011.

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Which team do you think is BETTER?

Poll closed Sep 18, 2011.
  1. Arjun

    18.9%
  2. dharocks

    81.1%
  1. Spooner

    Spooner Member

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    The field has been trimmed from 8 to 4. In this round, the team that receives the most votes will move on in the competition. Review the rosters, then vote for the team which you believe is BETTER

    arjun
    PG - Tony Parker / Toney Douglas
    SG - Stephen Jackson
    SF - Kevin Durant / Carlos Delfino*
    PF - David Lee
    C - DeJuan Blair / Andray Blatche


    dharocks
    PG - Steve Nash
    SG - Kirk Hinrich / Ben Gordon
    SF - Caron Butler / J.R. Smith
    PF - Taj Gibson / Ryan Anderson
    C - Dwight Howard
     
  2. BleedRocketsRed

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    Sorry Arjun, just really like Dharocks' team. Since the beginning, I have felt that he has done the best job. His team just has that balance. Amazing defensively and with Nash, have nothing to worry about offensively.
     
  3. thething

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    Dwight Howard is really all he needs in this matchup. Arjun has no way to stop it.
     
  4. BleedRocketsRed

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    Howard+Nash are all Dharocks needs to win this entire tournament imo. That combination is just so lethal and potentially unstoppable. Howard can single handedly generate a team defense while Nash can single handedly generate a team offense. Don't think I have ever seen a team as potent as this. They are loaded despite a benchie starting at the four.

    I really feel that Dharocks has the number one team coming out of this draft.

    He is probably the only team to have 2 true first-round caliber player, one of which being the first overall pick.
     
  5. Spooner

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    ahem... I think RedNation would disagree as well.

    Should be a good finals.
     
  6. RedNation

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    Deron and Dirk are 2 top 10 players. Steve and Howard are top 10 and top 20
     
  7. Jmcballer88

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    Just because he has Howard and Nash doesnt mean he is the best team RedNation or Spooners team is better IMO
     
  8. wekko368

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    Once Nash sits down (played 33 mpg last season), where is Dharock's offense going to come from? Dwight Howard can't consistently create his own shot yet, and JR Smith's idea of creating his own shot is chucking it from 25 feet away. Butler is recovering from injury, and Hinrich hasn't beaten anyone off the dribble in years.

    RedNation has no backup pg which means that for 10 minutes a game, his offense is going really suffer.

    IMO, RedNation's biggest weakness is his PF/C position. There are a total of 96 minutes that need to be split between Nowitzki, Asik, and Thompson. However, they only averaged 69 mpg last season which means that if they're forced to aggregately play an additional 27 mpg, they're going to be fatigued, and their performances will suffer.

    Spooner has a better team, but his primary offensive option (Rose) is inefficient, and although he has Kevin Love, he has a weak rebounding team overall. Brook Lopez is an embarrassingly poor rebounder despite being fully healthy.
     
  9. BleedRocketsRed

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    Okay maybe I am discounting Spooner's/Rednation's. Tho RedNation's team outside of Deron/Dirk looks pretty crappy overall.

    I just feel that Nash/Dwight can complement eachother beautifully. Dwight is a player who can single-handedly anchor a defense while Nash is a player who can single-handedly anchor an offense (I am not exaggerating either, these guys make their teams better in those areas more than almost all players in the league).
     
  10. BleedRocketsRed

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    Everything you said was stupid as usual.

    Hinrich can play the one smh.
     
  11. wekko368

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    Maybe you're too stupid to understand the logic.

    Hinrich can play the point, but where's the offense going to come from? He isn't a pick and roll point guard, and he can't create off the dribble.
     
  12. BleedRocketsRed

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    a Hinrich+Gordon backcourt can't generate offense? LOL GTFO r****d.
     
  13. BleedRocketsRed

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    You are braindead.
     
  14. Jmcballer88

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    Well he may have went overboard on some things but when nash goes out offense will be hard to come by
     
  15. wekko368

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    An offense generated by a slow-footed pg who shot 45% from the field and an undersized sg with poor court vision who shot 44% from the field.

    Yeah, good luck with that.
     
  16. dharocks

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    When Nash sits, you dump the ball into Howard on the low block on every possession and surround him with 3pt shooters (Hinrich, Gordon, Smith, Anderson) to space the floor. And run. It's pretty simple, actually.
     
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    You're familiar with the PER metric, right? An average NBA player has a PER of 15. Ben Gordon had a PER of 12.4, and Hinrich had a PER of 12.3.

    To put that into perspective, in his 4 seasons with the Rockets, Rafer Alston had PERs of 12.6, 12.9, 13.2 and 12.8.
     
  18. wekko368

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    Dwight Howard can't consistently create his own shot unless he has deep positioning. And since it sounds like you're playing him the entire game, he'll eventually get too fatigued to fight for deep position against fresh defenders. And since he's fatigued, that's going to negatively impact the rest of the game.

    Remember, the Orlando Magic tried your strategy of dumping the ball into Dwight and surrounding him with shooters (Jason Richardson, Jameer Nelson, Hedo Turkoglu, Rashard Lewis, Ryan Anderson). With Dwight Howard as the cornerstone of that strategy, it's been a proven failure.
     
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    Hinrich is undervalued by PER due to that particular metric's limitations in quantifying defense. And with Gordon, you're basing it off his worst year, in which is usage rate declined precipitously due to his smaller role in Detroit's backcourt. Of course your PER is going to decline when your a player who's main strength is scoring the ball. That 12.4 number is representative of his ability, and either way, he possesses the skills required to play his role within my team's offense (i.e., limiting turnovers, scoring when isolated, hitting open jumpers in the halfcourt, trailing fast breaks for open 3s).
     
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    And other teams can't prevent him from getting deep positioning without getting their bigs into foul trouble or aggressively fronting/doubling, which creates open 3 pt opportunities.

    I'll be playing him around 38 mpg. Nash will play around 35. When Howard's not on the floor and Nash is (maybe 5 min per game), you play Mike D'Antoni SSOL mode and play run and shoot. For the 5 minutes that neither player is on the floor (which would consist of what, 9 possessions total?), you do you let Smith or Gordon go nuts and take some stupid shots, hoping some fall.

    I think my team will be okay using that strategy for 8 minutes per game, but thanks for your input.
     

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