I watched an outside the lines special on the current situation and in my opinion, this is just more innapropriate sensationalism by Rev. Jesse Jackson. What I truly dont understand are these new rules reguarding the hiring of head coaches. WHY do teams have to consisider a black coach? If they arent on their top 5 of people to interview, why should they be forced to consider them? A team or University should be able to choose whoever they want, no matter the race, on credentials or who they think will best help their program. I guess the regulations are an effort toward equal oppurtuinty, but FORCING universities to consider minority coaches is a step back in my opinion.
It is about getting them a sniff. Maybe helping them improve interviewing Also . . . .they may surprise a few ADs If they never get interviews. . .. they never get hired It has become habit not to include minorities in the interviewing process. . . . it ust be broken Rocket River
WHY do teams have to consisider a black coach? Isn't it odd that most coaches in Division I are white while most players are black? One would have to think that a black head coach would fair better in recruiting black athletes.
A few things to consider here: 1) The skill set needed to be a good player isn't a direct correlation to the skills needed to be a good coach. Coaching requires intelligence, leadership, consensus-building skills, public relations skills, a certain degree of political skills as you keep boosters and boards of regents happy, and good character. Very few players exhibit all of these traits, so to compare statistics on racial composition of players to that of coaches is incorrect. 2) I haven't seen stats on this, but the racial composition of assistant coaches appears to be much more balanced than that of head coaches. A lot of it has to do with reasons listed in point 1 above. An assistant coach doesn't need the same level of political skills, consensus-building, leadership, character that a head coach must exhibit. 3) When considering the applicant pool for coaching, recognize that many people play football at lower levels than division I. These people are also candidates for coaching positions. The racial composition of high school football is much different than that of division I.
Today's Racism 101 lesson from TJ. Very nice. Trader Jorge Campanis will be available to the press later today.
What is that old saying? Those who can, do Those who can't, teach Larry Bird, Lenny Wilkens, and Isiah Thomas are the only great players that I can think of that were great coaches. Magic Johnson is the classic example of a great player who did not become a great coach. I think that is what TJ was talking about in his first point, but I could be wrong.
Where on earth did he say something racist? He is saying the skll set to be a player and the skill set to be a coach are completely different. And he is absolutely right.
Oh bull****. College players are a black majority while coaches are overwhelmingly white because former white players are more intelligent, are better leaders, etc. That is the definition of racism. Shut the hell up.
OK, so before it was, "Blacks don't have BLAH BLAH to be good head coaches." Now its, "Blacks are usually good players -> good players make bad head coaches -> Blacks make bad head coaches." UM, OK. FYI, I really don't have a problem with Bama hiring Shula. Shula has roots with Bama and is a good coach. But, with all of the good minority coaches available, if not 1 was seriously considered,...
Don't be an iditot Timing. Nice job of restating what Jorge said. He said the skills to be a player and a coach are different. He didn't say that white players are more intelligent or better leaders. Get over yourself, playing the race card has like 0 effect here. And I think there are plenty of black people who have the skill set to be great coaches, it just takes time for them to move up the ladder. Look at the number of black coaches in the NBA.
Don't be an iditot Timing. Nice job of restating what Jorge said. He said the skills to be a player and a coach are different. He didn't say that white players are more intelligent or better leaders. This is TJ's quote: 2) I haven't seen stats on this, but the racial composition of assistant coaches appears to be much more balanced than that of head coaches. A lot of it has to do with reasons listed in point 1 above. An assistant coach doesn't need the same level of political skills, consensus-building, leadership, character that a head coach must exhibit. How exactly do you interpret this outside of "black coaches are assistants because they don't have the political skills, consensus-building, leadership, and character that a head coach needs"? Those who can, do Those who can't, teach Larry Bird, Lenny Wilkens, and Isiah Thomas are the only great players that I can think of that were great coaches. Magic Johnson is the classic example of a great player who did not become a great coach. I think that is what TJ was talking about in his first point, but I could be wrong. Manny -- that's true of "great" players, but we're not talking great players here but ALL players. Virtually all coaches are ex-players. If the ex-player pool is 90% black, isn't it odd that all the coaches come out of the 10% white part of the pool? I don't think its intentional racism, but owners are going to pick employees that are most similar to them and who relate best to them. White owners / school ADs = white head coaches. Head coaches, being players, relate more to both black and white ex-players and thus have more balance in their coaching staffs.
What if I were to turn the situation around and say: "I demand that there be more white players in the league. In a league dominated by white coaches, there should be an equal proportion of white players." What we've got is a situation where blacks trust the free market system to put the best players on the field, but they distrust that same system when it comes to putting the best coaches on the field. All we're asking for is consistency here.
It is hard to prove you have or do not have those skills If you never even given a sniff It is like. . . .not even inviting any white guys to camp If they not in camp . .. how can u say they don't have the skills to play ball. Rocket River
This argument has no merit. I could say that white defensive backs aren't given 'a sniff' so therefore I don't know that they don't have the skills. In my last post, I pointed out the inconsistency with blacks' trust of the free market system to put the best players on the field, but not the best coaches on the field. Why do they think the white athletic directors are all wildly racist when it is plainly obvious that the white coaches are not racist (since they recruit blacks). This is what makes their argument completely ridiculous. I ask you again to please quit blaming failures on the racism of the majority. It's an excuse that must be eliminated in order for progress to be achieved.
As I continue to think about this, I would like to point out *yet another* inconsistency in blacks' approach to the subject: Whites respect the athletic ability of blacks in sports. Blacks do not respect the intelligence of whites in sports. Why? It seems apparent that one group is good at one thing, and another group is good at another. What is wrong with this line of thinking?
Major, in Timings response, he only included point 1 of Jorge's response. That's what I meant to defend, not this part of Jorge's argument, which I don't agree with.
Coaching and Playing are totally different. You can get by with a mediocre coach with a lot of talent. See 95-96 Cowboys. Barry Switzer was a mediocre proffessional coach. Do you think the coaches at Miami are better or the talent. I don't care how good your coach is, he can't overcome talent. Talent can over come mediocre coaching. Just look at the 94 and 95 NBA champions. Point is, there is no need to absolutely hire the best coach available, it helps, but do you think Bobby Bowden is a great coach, or does he have great talent. Ken Hatfield is a really good coach and I think a lot better than Mack Brown, but if Rice and Texas play a game, who are you putting your money on and why? Its apples and oranges.
One is almost purely athletic, the other is leadership and managing. Completely different skill sets. I do agree that few players (of ANY race) have all the traits to be great coaches. I don't agree that it can only be applied to black players.
