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Al-Qaeda group claims killing in Iraq

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  1. IROC it

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    Al-Qaeda linked group claims killing of police chief in Iraq


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    DUBAI, Oct 24 (AFP) - An Islamist group linked to Al-Qaeda claimed it carried out the assassination of the chief of police in a city in Iraqi Kurdistan at the weekend, according to a statement posted Sunday on its Internet site.

    "On Saturday the lions of monotheism and the defenders of the faith infiltrated the province of Arbil and ambushed the chief of police, Colonel Taha Ahmad," said the statement from the Jeich Ansar al-Sunna group posted on ansar-sunnah.5u.com. "The heroes succeeded in killing this miscreant."


    It was not possible to verify the authenticity of the statement.

    Colonel Taha Ahmad Omar, chief of police in the northern city of Arbil in Iraqi Kurdistan, was shot dead on Saturday as he exited a mosque after dawn prayers.

    The statement also addressed a "clear message" warning Massoud Barzani, the head of the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) which runs the normally peaceful city of Arbil.

    "The mujahadin will get you in the end ... to avenge our brothers who you torture daily in your prisons and your detention centres," it said. - AFP

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    ‘Al-Qaeda-linked group beheads alleged spy in Iraq’

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    Saturday, 23 October , 2004, 23:27

    Dubai: The Army of Ansar al-Sunna, a militant group in Iraq linked to Al-Qaeda, on Saturday posted photos on its website showing the beheading of a man it accused of being a spy recruited by US forces in the northern city of Mosul.

    "The mujahedeen (Islamic fighters) in Mosul were able to capture ... a crusader spy recruited by US forces to spy and inform on the mujahedeen in Mosul," the group said in a statement accompanying pictures of the man's decapitation.

    It did not give his nationality but the wording suggested he was an Iraqi Christian.

    The group said the man worked at a US base in Mosul airport and "was known for his allegiance to the Americans and his hatred for the mujahedeen." He had "publicly insulted (Islam's) Prophet Mohammad."

    The man was beheaded after "confessing to all the actions he carried out," the statement added.

    The group, which posted a picture of the man's head in a pool of blood, said he had been executed "to serve as a lesson for others."

    The man, who appeared in his thirties, was shown in another picture surrounded by three hooded gunmen with a banner of the Army of Ansar al-Sunna in the background.

    "We tell people like him: the door of repentance is open ... Announce your repentance and live in peace among your kin," the statement said.

    The mujahedeen will catch those who persist in working with US forces, and settle for nothing less than beheading them, the statement warned.


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    AND THIS ONE 1 HOUR AGO....

    Iraqi soldiers found shot to death

    Dozens killed; group says it's responsible


    Detroit Free Press

    October 25, 2004

    BY HANNAH ALLAM
    FREE PRESS FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT

    BAGHDAD, Iraq --The blood-drenched bodies of at least 37 new Iraqi soldiers ambushed and killed execution-style were discovered Sunday northeast of Baghdad in one of the deadliest attacks yet on Iraq's nascent security forces.

    Jordanian terror suspect Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's group claimed responsibility for the killings, according to a posting on a Web site used by Muslim militants. Al Qaeda in Iraq, formerly known as Tawhid and Jihad, said "God enabled the mujahideen to kill all" the soldiers and "seize two vehicles and money."

    The recruits had just completed their training, received their salaries and were heading home on leave when insurgents disguised as Iraqi security personnel stopped their minibuses and shot them one by one at sunset Saturday, according to senior members of the Iraqi Defense Ministry.

    The final body count varied from 37 to nearly 50. The men were unarmed and had no military escorts, Iraqi officials said. The attack followed twin suicide car bombings that targeted Iraqi police and national guardsmen Saturday, and further threatened the interim Iraqi government's plan to increase security before elections scheduled for January.

    Al-Zarqawi's group recently changed its name to reflect its public allegiance to Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda organization. It claimed to have killed 48 "apostates," or faithless people, in Sunday's ambush. That's 11 more than the Iraqi government count.

    Al Qaeda in Iraq has claimed responsibility for dozens of attacks on Iraqi and U.S. forces as well as the beheadings of several foreign hostages. The United States has put a $25-million bounty on al-Zarqawi.

    The soldiers from the 5th Division of the U.S.-trained Iraqi army were traveling south in three minibuses when assailants believed to have been dressed in Iraqi police and national guard uniforms flagged them down in a small town near the Iranian border about 95 miles east of Baghdad.

    The deputy governor of the Diyala province, Aqil al-Adili, told Arabic-language satellite TV stations he believed the attack was an inside job. He said the assailants apparently knew when the buses left the Kirkush training camp in northeastern Iraq and that the men inside were unarmed. Three drivers also were killed and guerrillas left with two of the buses.

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    But NO WAY THERE"S ANY LINK TO THE TERRORISTS OF Al-Q in Iraq.... nope, never was one either...

    BLINDED (wake up).:eek: :(
     
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    I see that you have a misunderstanding. Nobody is claiming that Al-Qaeda isn't in Iraq NOW. In fact some people said beforehand that Al-Qaeda and other terrorists might move in once we invade.

    The problem is that there WAS NO SUPPORT of Al-Qaeda from Iraq prior to the invasion. These articles show no evidence to contradict that.

    I won't call you blinded, or tell you to wake up, but I do hope this clears up the misunderstanding.
     
  3. IROC it

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    Say what you will... but I'd say if they're there right now, while our troops are present, then you'd better bet your rump that Al-Q operatives were in Iraq BEFORE we invaded.

    That's the NAP I'd like you all to wake up from.


    No misunderstanding here.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Well your bet goes against all the U.S. intelligence, the international intelligence, and feeling of most of the world which realizes that they have come to Iraq in order to fight against us. Before we were there, they weren't there either.
     
  5. Puedlfor

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    Based upon what?
     
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    If we're napping then you are in a freaking coma.
     
  7. IROC it

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    You say "we" as if you, yourself, know for 100% sure that they weren't there.

    Pre U.S. "occupancy" it would seem that they'd have little way to tell if the Al-Q's were there... who would monitor that activity for "us" to tattle about it?

    Are you saying that Saddam was on the up and up about this? Or are you saying that because no one was openly saying "Hi, I'm with Osama" that it was not possible?

    This is the blindness to which I speak.

    Why wouldn't an Islamic Jihadist dictatorship allow the free roaming of an Islamic Jihadist terrorist group inside his borders?

    What are you, the blindsiders, not getting?

    Because the enemy, and eurropean anti-US sentimentals, say there were no Al-Q ties pre-US invasion... we're to just say "Okay?"

    Again... wake up.

    This rampant Al-Q existence in Iraq now signifies a somewhat entrenched pre-invasion existence, IMO.

    Why give so much whole hearted trust to world intelligence that is not 100% in the US best interest?

    I don't get the naivity here. :confused:
     
  8. Puedlfor

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    Why do you think Saddam Hussein was an Islamic Jihadist dictatorship in the same vein as the Taliban?

    The rampant American presence in Iraq signifies a somewhat entrenched pre-invasion existence.

    Maybe, they moved into Iraq because of our exposed position there.
     
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    uh..Saddam may have been a lot of things, but he was not a "Islamic Jihadist dictatorship. "

    Okay! Well.. Maybe one out of three.
     
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    If he didn't believe in Islam, Jihad, and if he wasn't a dictator, then what was he?

    Revisionists!


    I suppose the murals of missles aimed at Israel inside his palace didn't indicate any Jihad vs. the "zionists?"

    Was he a Catholic Crusading King? :rolleyes:
     
  11. Oski2005

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    It's pointless discussing this with you, absolutely pointless. Since when, in any way, has Saddam been considered a "Islamic Jihadist?" Can you show me any US intelligence that has ever made this claim?

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041004/pl_nm/iraq_usa_rumsfeld_dc
     
  12. IROC it

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    Once again.

    Who was the "monitor" in Iraq willing to tell the US the truth?
     
  13. Puedlfor

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    Military Dictatorship.

    There's a big difference between the Islamic Governments of a place like Iran, or Afghanistan - and Hussein's Iraq or a place like Pakistan.
     
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    WTF, do you really think the CIA is gonna give out a list of its spies and informants? Must be a Novak fan.
     
  15. FranchiseBlade

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    Where are you getting your theories from? Are they just something that you think sounds like the way it probably was?

    I'm basing my information on The 9/11 commission's findings, CIA reports, etc.
     
  16. IROC it

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    Just realized you said this.

    Have you not seen that this group was there ALL ALONG? Only recently have they fully ADMITTED that they are Al-Q.


    My point remains very clear. It may be my personal assessment, however, I feel it is common sense.


    Saddam would not have told us if Al-Q was there anyway. And how do you know we didn't have some "soft, indirect" evidence?

    Like the CIA, being so shrowded in mystery in the first place, would rat themselves out for the sake of "Strong, hard evidence" -

    They were there. Someone tipped us off to it (CIA or the like)... and we acted.

    The "spy world" is not going to all of the sudden step and say, "See, we told you so" at any stage of the "game." I would trust we could reason as much, and see it for ourselves.


    But I thought I was talking to educated, "cause & effect familiar" folks. Perhaps I placed to much hope in the common sense idea that sometimes the clear cut "2+2=4" equation could perhaps be reached by way of ".5+.5+.5+.5+1+1=4"...

    Sometimes as things become clear, still only few see them.
     
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    IROC it, the Council on Foreign Relations just offered you a fellowship!
     
  18. Puedlfor

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    You misread what I wrote.

    Al-Qaeda was not in Iraq, until we went into there - they're taking advantage of the destabilization of the region and our exposed presence to launch attacks against Americans.

    You're right - Saddam would've killed them.

    Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda were not allies, they were not friends - they did not like each other. Saddam was a Military Dictator who sometimes parroted Islamic rhetoric - Al-Qaeda is a fantical Islamic religious group. They aren't the same thing.

    Al-Qaeda is only there because we're there - and we've provided them with a recruiting ground and influence in a resource-rich nation by removing the biggest obstacle to their presence there - Hussein - without planning on how to deal with any of the consequences of such.
     
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    Hey! It's your thread! You figure it out.

    LOL!!! I'm the "Revisionists!?"

    And how many times has the administration "revised" their reasons for the war?
     
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    Even the Bushies have given up on this mis statement about a Saddam-Al Qaeda connection. I know the Bushies lie so much it's hard to keep up Iroc, but get with the program.
     

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