Hard to believe someone could win the triple crown and not be the MVP but it might just happen. I'm a Trout guy but Miggie has been awesome.
They do Co-MVPs in the NFL every once in a while if there was ever a year to do it in baseball this would be it. But that's not going to happen. I'd go Cabrera getting a triple crown is something that hasn't been done in years and often debated if it would ever be done again. Trout has been amazing but to me a triple crown speaks for itself...
Leads the majors in steals, and has only been caught 4 times. He's arguably the best defensive outfielder in baseball. Mike Trout leads the majors in runs by 20 runs, and he didn't play the first month.
Its got to be Cabrerra. Going into the last day of the season, he has the RBI crown in the bag with nine more than #2. He has a .007 lead in batting average on Trout who is #2 their. Its going to come down to home runs. He is currently in first but only one ahead of Hamilton and 2 ahead of Encarnacion. Going into the last day of the season, he is sitting on a .331 avr with 44 hr's and 139 rbi's. Even if he doesn't get the triple crown tonight, those are filthy numbers that deserve the MVP.
Ted Williams won the triple crown twice without winning the MVP. In this instance I am fine really with either guy getting it. They both have strong arguments to be made for them.
I honestly don't think you can go wrong either way. I think I'd vote Cabrera if I had a vote..but I'd be torn on that.
Trout will get his. The Triple Crown hasn't been achieved in nearly 40 years. I don't see how that can be ignored.
And if you go by WAR( wins above replacement)... Trout is having a Barry Bonds like season according to the stats Somebody who brought up Ted Williams made a great point, winning the triple crown is great.. but i would argue that Trout is a more complete player and means more to his team than Cabrera The bigger question is, why wasnt Trout considered a cant miss prospect, but Bryce Harper was. Shades of Luck and RG3
I think people overvalue the triple crown, i mean it's just 3 random stats, it's extremely impressive to lead the majors in all three, but just three stats doesn't nearly paint the whole picture about the player.
exactly those highlight reel catches overshadow what kind of gold-glove season Trout is having in the outfield. He is a gold-glover who steals bases, hits homers, and for average... thats a complete player Trouts season stands out more over a guy who hits a 2-out base hit, or 2-out homer when they are losing by 4 runs. Trout is the most complete player i have seen as a rookie in a while, and if he continues to progress. You could be looking at the second coming of Willie Mays
They kind of are - there's no real rhyme or reason to picking those three. AVG and HR's are pure stats; RBIs is dependent on teammates. Why not OBP instead of AVG? Or runs instead of RBIs, which would take into account speed and baserunning skills? Or SLG instead of HRs, which would be a better measure of power? HRs and RBI's are also partially repetitive. Outside of tradition, there's no real good reason to look at those stats as being somehow the best indicators of anything.
Let's use OBP instead of AVG: Trout OBP = 0.397 Cabrera OBP = 0.394 Essentially a push, but Trout gets the slight edge SLG instead of HRs: Trout SLG = 0.561 Cabrera = 0.608 Cabrera with a sizable lead there And I am not exactly sure how RUNS is less dependent on teammates than RBIs. I guess unless Trout has stolen home a bunch of times that I just missed this season. Again, I have stated that both are deserving of it, it's just a matter of preference. Trout, when you consider his speed and defense, is probably having the better overall year. Cabrera, should win the Triple Crown, which isn't done very often for a reason. I also give a few extra points to Cabrera for his team making the playoffs (and I will concede that that is not actually fair - as team play and strength of division definitely plays a big role there). I give the slight edge to Cabrera, but wouldn't argue at all if Trout wins it.
OBP: Cabrera ranked 4th, Trout 3rd SLG: Cabrera ranked 1st, Trout 3rd OPS: Cabrera ranked 1st, Trout 2nd WAR: Cabrera ranked 3rd, Trout 1st AVG: Cabrera ranked 1st, Trout 2nd
Sorry - I agree with you that both are deserving and a good argument could be made for either. I was just saying that the triple crown stats are kind of arbitrary. And I agree that runs are teammate dependent just like RBIs - my point was that the triple crown is just picking three stats out of a universe of others that could be used instead. I think a triple crown of OBP, SLG, and SB would be interesting - it incorporates all aspects of a players' offensive game: speed, average, walks, power. I think the argument for Cabrera is that he led the league in OPS and was utterly dominant. I think the argument for Trout is that he was nearly as dominant, but had a huge speed effect (steals, defense) as well. I favor Trout, but wouldn't be upset by either.
Oh ok, I understand, and I agree with you as well. The more I think about it, this is about as perfect of a time to name both of them co-MVPs. It'll be interesting to see either way, I really don't mind either way.
also torn, but I go Cabrera I don't think you count the fact that Trout played less of the season. You can't extrapolate. sucks for him in this case.. just like an injury would hurt a candidate. Additionally, the Angels aren't gonna make the playoffs. Normally I'm against this coming into play for 2 teams that are pretty good in a game that certainly doesn't come down to 1 player's contributions. But this race is SO tight that I think you consider something small like this. And yeah, with all the talent on the Angels (due in no part to Trout's performance though), he wasn't able to drag them into the postseason. And yeah, Triple Crown. seriously. I was a Trout supporter all the way until these final weeks. And I'd still be fine with seeing him win it. but I go Cabrera
