http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=873 Al-Jazeera TV Special: The Israeli Mossad Was Involved in the 9/11 Attacks Following are excerpts from Part 4 of an Al-Jazeera TV special called "The Truth behind 9/11", which aired on September 30, 2005. Anchor: About two hours before zero hour, two workers of the Israeli communications company (Comverse), the headquarters of which are here, in Herzliya, received an anonymous text message, warning about the attack. This company has a branch a few steps away from the World Trade Center in New York. Al-Quds Al-Arabi Editor-in-Chief Abd Al-Bari 'Atwan: We know that we are all under surveillance. We, in the West - our phones are tapped. Every move we make is under surveillance. I wouldn't be surprised if in 5-10 years it turns out that there is a complete record of all my conversations. It turned out that the Spanish intelligence monitored... Anchor: Yet this will not prevent you from carrying out a bombing operation. Abd Al-Bari 'Atwan: Of course not. If I use my journalist ID card to enter the House of Commons and blow myself up, they would say: "We were following him and monitoring his computer, letters, emails, and everything." [...] Anchor: (Muhammad) 'Atta was sitting in seat 8D. In front of him were the two brothers, Wael and Walid Al-Shihri. Behind him was his comrade in his final days, 'Abd Al-'Aziz Al-'Omari. To Al-'Omari's left was the Israeli Mossad agent, Daniel Lewin, and right behind him, the man who would kill him, Sattam Al-Suqami. [...] In those exact moments, a group of Mossad agents were waiting in Manhattan for the first plane. They had surveillance and filming equipment with them. Meanwhile, F-15 planes were on high alert in Otis air base, 150 miles away, not knowing in which direction to fly. [...] It is noteworthy that in those moments, the Mossad agents here, according to eye-witnesses, were dancing and cheering in front of the WTC. The Israelis were arrested in New York. Later, they were moved to Washington, and from there to Israel, and the report was quickly suppressed.
Mohamed el-Amir, the father of the alleged ringleader of the 9/11 attacks, would furiously reject this suggestion in defense of the good name of Mohamed Atta. Then again el-Amir could be a Mossad agent himself.
My claim is simple, yet true. gwayneco was involved in 9/11. Not with. My question is also simple. Does gwayneco hate Arabs, Muslims or both?
...is this supposed to be funny? mohammed atta doesn't have a good name, last i checked... Why is it necessarily true that as a result of threads questioning Islam he 'hates arabs or muslims?' There is no logical basis for such a claim. On the other hand, Muslims seem to claim anti-Islam with the same, or more, frequency as Israelis being criticized. Here's a clue - stop dismissing the complaints and start dealing with them...
Until I see further proof, I will dismiss it as a ridiculous claim. However, please do not be so naive as to think the Israelis are incapable of things like this. Remember things like Operation Suzannah, the USS Liberty attack, and the MGM Theater? That's all the PROVEN work of our supposed ally.
Related articles.... http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has\ Odigo says workers were warned of attack "Haaretz" -- Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack. Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI. "I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya. As an instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to sending messages only to people on their "buddy" list, as is the case with ICQ, the other well-known Israeli instant messaging application. Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, said Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to provide the law enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of the message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and the actual sender of the original message. © Copyright 2004 Haaretz. All rights reserved
Very interesting indeed. Why are articles like this so obscure and hard to locate? If this was a Jordanian IM service, I would wager a pretty penny that this would be front page news. I would love to learn more about this. Haaretz is most definitely credible. This isn't Al-Jazeera.
Hmmm, aggierocket....i like you and think you're one smart person. But you have an ally on this issue that makes you suspect....http://www.davidduke.com
From ABC News, linked to another website (since the original link to their website expired), but the contents are ABC News... Urban Moving was apprently 'shut down in a hurry' following the arrests. Hmm, a front business for Mossad operations? http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/HTML Pages/ABCNEWS_com_Were_Israelis_Detained_Sept_11_Spies.htm The White Van Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies? June 21 — Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center attacks, and those who saw them won't forget them. But a New Jersey homemaker saw something that morning that prompted an investigation into five young Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence. Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers. She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye. Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said. The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said. She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van. The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed by police. The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens. ‘We Are Not Your Problem’ According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" — referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari. When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned. One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation. After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a warrant and searched Urban Moving's Weehawken, N.J., offices. The FBI searched Urban Moving's offices for several hours, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned Urban Moving's owner. His attorney insists that his client answered all of the FBI's questions. But when FBI agents tried to interview him again a few days later, he was gone. Three months later 2020's cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse. The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned with his family to Israel. ‘A Scary Situation’ Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees, acknowledged that his clients' actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused suspicions. "You got a group of guys that are taking pictures, on top of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They're speaking in a foreign language. They got two passports on 'em. One's got a wad of cash on him, and they got box cutters. Now that's a scary situation." But Gordon insisted that his clients were just five young men who had come to America for a vacation, ended up working for a moving company, and were taking pictures of the event. The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case. The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were given as many as seven lie-detector tests. Plenty of Speculation Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives. Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database. Israeli Intelligence Connection? According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area." Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson, N.J., which was one of the places where several of the hijackers lived in the months prior to Sept. 11. For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country. Sources say the Israelis were targeting these fund-raising networks because they were thought to be channeling money to Hamas and Islamic Jihad, groups that are responsible for most of the suicide bombings in Israel. "[The] Israeli government has been very concerned about the activity of radical Islamic groups in the United States that could be a support apparatus to Hamas and Islamic Jihad," Cannistraro said. The men denied that they had been working for Israeli intelligence out of the New Jersey moving company, and Ram Horvitz, their Israeli attorney, dismissed the allegations as "stupid and ridiculous." Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, goes even further, asserting the issue was never even discussed with U.S. officials. "These five men were not involved in any intelligence operation in the United States, and the American intelligence authorities have never raised this issue with us," Regev said. "The story is simply false." No ‘Pre-Knowledge’ Despite the denials, sources tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within the FBI over whether or not the young men were spies. Many U.S. government officials still believe that some of them were on a mission for Israeli intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS, "To date, this investigation has not identified anybody who in this country had pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11." Sources also said that even if the men were spies, there is no evidence to conclude they had advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. The investigation, at the end of the day, after all the polygraphs, all of the field work, all the cross-checking, the intelligence work, concluded that they probably did not have advance knowledge of 9/11," Cannistraro noted. As to what they were doing on the van, they say they read about the attack on the Internet, couldn't see it from their offices and went to the parking lot for a better view. But no one has been able to find a good explanation for why they may have been smiling with the towers of the World Trade Center burning in the background. Both the lawyers for the young men and the Israeli Embassy chalk it up to immature conduct. According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home. While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." ABCNEWS' Chris Isham, John Miller, Glenn Silber and Chris Vlasto contributed to this report.
That's actually funny that David Duke mentions some of those things too. It certainly does not surprise me considering that Duke is anti-Semitic. However, the fact that he is anti-Semitic and mentions these events does not take away from the validity of the events themselves. All three of the events that I mentioned ( well Suzannah was not an "event") are all well-documented in many mainstream places. I'm sure you can Google each of them. Plus, I think you know enough about me to know that David Duke is certainly not someone I can consider an "ally."
Sorry HayesStreet, but that's silly logic: "You believe in X, David Duke believes in X, therefore you are alike". If that wasn't what you meant to say, sorry in advance for misreading what you posted.
This link has videos of an entire documentary by everyone's favorite network (Fox News) that discusses Israeli espionage on the US. Interestingly enough, FNC pulled this from their website shortly afterwards, but this 'rogue' site was able to get a hold of the entire video of FNC's investigation (there are four parts, and they require Quicktime plug-ins I believe to work): http://207.44.245.159/article7545.htm HUME: Carl, what about this question of advanced knowledge of what was going to happen on 9-11? How clear are investigators that some Israeli agents may have known something? CAMERON: It's very explosive information, obviously, and there's a great deal of evidence that they say they have collected — none of it necessarily conclusive. It's more when they put it all together. A bigger question, they say, is how could they not have know? Almost a direct quote.
David Duke is probably against the common cold. I am against the common cold. David Duke and I are identical on all issues.
I don't know about direct involvement, but would it be fair to say that if Isreali Intelligence had prior concrete knowledge about the 9/11 attacks, U.S. officials were not warned due to the fact that an attack would have the desired effect of justification of retaliation (by the U.S) upon the Arab world resulting in Isreali security?
along the same lines...whatever happened to that story about the devil himself, benjamin netanyahu, being told about the possible subway attacks and staying in his hotel?
