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Al Harrington to Indiana deal likely to be concluded TODAY

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by pacertom, Aug 14, 2006.

  1. pacertom

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    Harrington deal up to Pacers

    http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/hawks/stories/0814harrington.html

    By SEKOU SMITH

    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
    Published on: 08/14/06

    The Hawks could finally complete their long-anticipated sign-and-trade for Al Harrington Monday if the Indiana Pacers agree to the deal, a person familiar with the situation said Sunday.

    The Hawks have agreed to sign Harrington to a six-year, $57 million deal and then send him and third-year center John Edwards to the Pacers for a future first-round draft pick, the person said.

    Gone from the deal is the $3 million in cash the Hawks were seeking in addition to the draft pick before Harrington fired his agent.

    Hawks general manager Billy Knight could not be reached for comment.

    The Pacers have a $7.5 million trade exception they acquired last month in a sign-and-trade deal with New Orleans for Peja Stojakovic that allows them to complete the deal. The Hawks don't want to take back lengthy contracts that would put a stranglehold on the salary cap flexibility they've built up the past three years.

    If the Pacers decline to complete the deal Monday, Harrington's list of options will grow at the same time Arn Tellem officially becomes his recognized agent. League rules stipulate a 15-day period between the time a player fires one agent and hires another.

    As many as six other teams are waiting in the wings if the Hawks and Pacers can't complete the deal. The options for the Hawks and Harrington would multiply in that scenario, though the Hawks would have to agree to take players in return in order for any sign-and-trade deal not involving the Pacers. Those options include Harrington taking something other than a five- or six-year contract, perhaps something as short as three years, in order to make a deal work.

    Another option that has remained a possibility since the free-agent negotiating period began July 1 is a multiple-team deal where Harrington gets the lucrative, long-term contract he desires and the Hawks maintain their salary flexibility by not taking on an unwanted contract. But that option requires at least one more team, and maybe more, to become reality.

    The completion of the Harrington deal will allow the Hawks to finally sign Lorenzen Wright to the two-year, $6 million deal the former Hawks player and free agent center has agreed to sign.


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    Rumors from within the Pacers say that Al is in Indianapolis for a physical exam THIS MORNING and that the Pacers have agreed to the trade as long as there are no surprises in the physical.

    The salary (6 years, 57 mil) may be a bit steep, but I'd be interested in seeing a list of potentially available starting forwards not on their rookie contracts making much less and producing >15ppg, >7 rpg, especially at age 26.
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    If that helps you stomach the deal.... Signing him for that much money is a mistake Pacers fans will start regretting in a year or two. For your sake, I'll hope I'm wrong.
     
  3. thacabbage

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    I have to agree with you. I think Harrington is a good player, but most of his appeal throughout his career has been his youth. He's still young but that perceived potential of superstardom is now gone. He makes for a good starter, but he doesn't shoot well enough for a '3', but doesn't rebound well enough to justify the power forward position. One of the BBS members broke down some tape on him a while back, and from what I understand, he also makes terrible decisions and is a pretty poor passer. He's basically a poor man's Juwan Howard from when Howard was actually worth a damn.

    Still, they probably had to make this deal, losing Artest and Stojakovic back to back, they really had no choice. 6 years $57million is too much though.
     
  4. geeimsobored

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    My thoughts exactly... So what position does he play for the Pacers? I'm assuming O'Neal is the power forward (occasionally playing center) while Granger starts at Small Forward. I suppose they could put Granger on the bench but I don't like Harrington as a small forward.

    He's a tweener in every sense of the word and to this day, I don't think anyone knows what position he plays.
     
  5. pacertom

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    If you were a boss writing a check, which is better value:

    a) writing a check for 6.4 million to Juwan Howard for next year, or
    b) giving 7.6 million to Al Harrington?

    It's not a hard choice, Howard being washed up crap.

    The main drawback is that Al is a PF most of all, so this pushes Jermaine O'Neal to C with Danny Granger at SF. Granger is a great rebounder for a SF, so that could help with Al's weakness.

    I've gone through the salaries of starting NBA power forwards. They are not cheap unless they are on their rookie contracts. A crude ranking and their salaries (except for the top 8, where they are so much better than Al that salary isn't important):

    The best:
    #1 Tim Duncan
    #2 Kevin Garnett
    #3 Dirk Nowitzki
    #4 Elton Brand
    #5 Jermaine O'Neal
    #6 Chris Bosh
    #7 Rasheed Wallace
    #8 Pau Gasol

    The rest:

    #9 Antawn Jamison- 15.1 mil
    #10 Boris Diaw- (on rookie deal)
    #11 Chris Webber- 20.7 mil
    #12 Emeka Okafor- (on rookie deal)
    #13 Zach Randolph- 12 mil
    #14 Mehmet Okur- 8.25 mil
    #15 Kenyon Martin- 11.8 mil
    #16 David West- (on rookie deal)
    #17 Charlie Villanueva (on rookie deal)
    #18 Carlos Boozer- 11.6 mil
    #19 Shareef Abdur-Rahim -5.4 mil
    #20 Troy Murphy- 8.3 mil
    #21 Drew Gooden- 6 million?


    personally I'f put Al somewhere between #16 and #21 on that list, and so only Abdur-Rahim and maybe Drew Gooden are better bangs for your buck.

    The risk is that by years 5 and 6, will he will be worth 11-12 mil. Based upon the above numbers, if he is a top 15 PF then I'd have to say yes.

    Quality bigs don't come cheap. He will never make as much, though, in any one year as Croshere and Pollard made together last year.
     
  6. Desert Scar

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    I agree this is the thinking. Oneal and Harrington in the big spots will create a pretty good scoring punch, few teams can match up with both well at all.

    Good analysis of salary Pacertom too. I think Harrington will probably be overpayed, but it is more or less the market for a PF with his production.

    But I want to know what in the world the Pacer's were thinking with their guards and shooting however. While losing Peja was not under their control, trading Johnson for nothing. No attempt to retain Fred Jones. I don't like what they have done with their guards at all--I can easily see Tinsley and Daniels long range shooting (lack of it) just kill them and negate the trouble their bigs can provide by allow them to be doubled. Evev S Jack is streaky (career 34% 3 shooter), not exactly a deadeye.
     
  7. pacertom

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    The guard spots are indeed a wreck and I can only assume that the market for Tinsley and Jackson was nonexistent. They would have liked to move both of them.

    While it is true that nobody on the court except Jackson and backup PG Sarunas J. can hit a 3, everybody inluding the bigs can hit a J up to 18 feet. That's a big change vs. leaving Foster unguarded for anything but layups.

    I think that the Johnson giveaway in Dallas's favor was linked to the Marquis Daniels giveway in the Pacers favor. Technical details just made the two trades occur separately. Also, having 2 separate trades gave the Pacers a smallish trade exception, which allows them to make Atlanta happy by using it to take the contract of worthless white stiff Edwards of Atlanta's hands in the process of closing the Harrington deal. This was apparently one of Atlanta's demands all along.

    I can see the Pacers facing a lot of zones. But Jermaine, Al, and Danny Granger are all good off the dribble and good at slashing, at least for their positions (C, PF, SF). Somebosy has to get them the ball. Larry Bird is convinced Tinsley can be healthy and Sarunas will be a legit backup. At least this year if Jackson whines and moans about refs and gets in a down streak, there is Marquis Daniels to take over at SG instead of 6'2" Fred Jones.
     
  8. weslinder

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    I posted this in another thread, but it might be closer than you expect.

    Check the most similar players:
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harrial01.html

    Harrington fills up the boxscore stats and is ultra-reliable. But his inefficiency and lack of defense (and now big contract) bring him a lot closer to Juwan Howard that would be comfortable for me. Were I a Pacers fan, I would trust Bird and Carlisle almost without question, but Harrington is not that good a player.
     
  9. jopatmc

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    I don't know what his true value is but I do know this, Harrington will be a much more efficient player in Indy than in Atlanta. Atlanta has no system, no plan, and Harrington was basically just freelancing it down there. The inefficiency of his numbers do not reflect what kind of player he really is.

    Get this straight. I'm not saying he is worth the contract he is getting. I am saying he is not as inefficient as his numbers in Atl show. Put him on a good team, where he is NOT the #1 option, and his efficiency will improve dramatically. The only question I have about him is how much does he want to win? He will have the contract, the money. The only way for him to get to even another level would be for Indy to become a big winner and a year in year out contender. What Larry Bird and Donnie apparently know is that he is better than what he shows on paper.
     
  10. BigM

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    is your point that al harrington is better then juwan? if you're goal as a gm is to get a better value then juwan you don't really have to try that hard.
     
  11. Desert Scar

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    I completely agree. How he performed between Pachulia and J. Smith in Atl may have little bearing to how he will do between Oneal and Granger in a better system. In fact Oneal and Granger--mucho athletic and long, would seem to much compensate for Harrington's weakness, and allow him to play to his strengths.
     
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    Still gotta say I'm kinda scratching my head on the salary, Harrinton just doesn't look like a 10 mil a year guy to me... but Donnie Walsh and Larry Bird are smart basketball people.

    In any case, I hope Harrington's trade and the Gooden deal being settled would allow teams to start pursuing the secondary deals that were held up pending those two bigger names. Maybe the Rockets will finally make another move.
     
  13. pacertom

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    My point is that I defy you to name an NBA forward making less than 7.6 million next year (Al's rumored salary) who is better than Al Harrington and who is not on a rookie contract.

    If this is a crazy awful contract, then somebody must know of a veteran 18/8 type guy making less, right?

    I think that one such player & contract may exist-- Abdur-Rahim. I think Gooden is less skilled than Al (though a better rebounder) and Wilcox is less proven. I threw Juwan's name out there as an example of how NBA bigs are highly paid if they have ever been half decent.



    This deal is taking forever to complete. ESPN News and ESPN in general keep spinning it as a matter of time. But how long should it take?
     
  14. foodworld

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    There's also option C) -- saving the $7.5 million, the trade exception and the first-round pick (critical given that the Pacers aren't a playoff lock.) This is akin to last summer's Joe Johnson deal; the Hawks organization and fans were so starved for good news that they forked over players and picks for him needlessly.
     

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