You know what? This guy needs to whine some more! I mean we really haven't heard him complain enough lately about any number of things. He's always so busy offering solutions and constructive comments that we just don't hear him whine enough. That's why I'm hoping the Dems will run him 2004. I think he clearly is the best choice to offer real solutions and present himself as a leader and winner to the American public. http://www2.observer.com/observer/pages/frontpage1.asp Gore’s TV War: He Lobs Salvo At Fox News by Josh Benson Among the many problems facing the Democratic Party, according to former Vice President Al Gore, is the state of the American media. "The media is kind of weird these days on politics, and there are some major institutional voices that are, truthfully speaking, part and parcel of the Republican Party," said Mr. Gore in an interview with The Observer. "Fox News Network, The Washington Times, Rush Limbaugh—there’s a bunch of them, and some of them are financed by wealthy ultra-conservative billionaires who make political deals with Republican administrations and the rest of the media …. Most of the media [has] been slow to recognize the pervasive impact of this fifth column in their ranks—that is, day after day, injecting the daily Republican talking points into the definition of what’s objective as stated by the news media as a whole." Mr. Gore has been airing his views during a nationwide promotional book tour that marks his re-emergence in public life after a self-imposed exile following his loss in the 2000 Presidential election. Now, as Mr. Gore considers another Presidential campaign, he’s determined to confound his ponderous image by unveiling a new Al Gore—one who doesn’t hesitate, as he puts it, to "let ’er rip." Hence his controversial criticisms of President Bush’s foreign policy, and his surprise announcement in favor of a government-run universal health-care system. And hence, in a phone interview with The Observer, his extensive criticism of the media, which is hardly a conventional way of launching a national political campaign. Actually, Mr. Gore may have little reason to hide his views about the media, for his re-emergence, while generating a massive amount of attention, has also inspired ridicule from commentators of all ideological persuasions. Conservatives seemed delighted by his return, remembering his awkward candidacy in 2000, and many liberals have been quite frank in wishing that he would simply disappear. But Mr. Gore has a bone to pick with his critics: namely, he says, that a systematically orchestrated bias in the media makes it impossible for him and his fellow Democrats to get a fair shake. "Something will start at the Republican National Committee, inside the building, and it will explode the next day on the right-wing talk-show network and on Fox News and in the newspapers that play this game, The Washington Times and the others. And then they’ll create a little echo chamber, and pretty soon they’ll start baiting the mainstream media for allegedly ignoring the story they’ve pushed into the zeitgeist. And then pretty soon the mainstream media goes out and disingenuously takes a so-called objective sampling, and lo and behold, these R.N.C. talking points are woven into the fabric of the zeitgeist." And during a lengthy discourse on the history of political journalism in America, Mr. Gore said he believed that evolving technologies and market forces have combined to lower the media’s standards of objectivity. "The introduction of cable-television news and Internet news made news a commodity, available from an unlimited number of sellers at a steadily decreasing cost, so the established news organizations became the high-cost producers of a low-cost commodity," said Mr. Gore. "They’re selling a hybrid product now that’s news plus news-helper; whether it’s entertainment or attitude or news that’s marbled with opinion, it’s different. Now, especially in the cable-TV market, it has become good economics once again to go back to a party-oriented approach to attract a hard-core following that appreciates the predictability of a right-wing point of view, but then to make aggressive and constant efforts to deny that’s what they’re doing in order to avoid offending the broader audience that mass advertisers want. Thus the Fox slogan ‘We Report, You Decide,’ or whatever the current version of their ritual denial is." "We understand that Gore is frustrated," said R.N.C. spokesman Kevin Sheridan. "He’s the leader of a party without a message. But if he thinks that the Republican National Committee can control the American media, then perhaps he needs a break from the book tour." Fox spokesman Rob Zimmerman said, "We won’t dignify this with a response." A spokesman for The Washington Times didn’t return calls for comment. Rush Limbaugh was traveling and not available for comment. A Left Hook Of course, some of the harshest criticisms of Mr. Gore have come from distinctly non-conservative quarters. Mr. Gore seemed particularly stung, for example, by an op-ed written by Frank Rich of The New York Times, suggesting that his new spontaneity was a charade. "When people write a line like one that I read this morning—quote, ‘People do not change,’ period, end quote—well, there’s a difference between learning from experience and self-reinvention," Mr. Gore said. "People do change, particularly in America. If you don’t learn from the experiences you have in life, then you’re not trying very hard, and if you don’t make mistakes, you’re not human …. If people who make their living criticizing anybody and everybody want to add me to their list, that’s all right. Hell, they’ve got to make a living." Democrats sympathetic to Mr. Gore frequently maintain that "political insiders"—the media, big donors, professional politicians—paint an overly pessimistic picture of his viability as a candidate and suggest that his position has been strengthened by the party’s poor showing in the midterm elections several weeks ago. "There are all these people in the party who have been adamant that we need a fresh face," said Joe Andrew, who headed the Democratic National Committee during the Clinton administration. "I think a lot of those people are taking another look at Al Gore now, saying that, ‘Well, at least there’s someone out there with big ideas, who looks good on TV, who looks more comfortable with himself.’ I think it’s simply a fundamental reaction to the sense that he is a serious candidate with serious ideas." But while Mr. Gore has a solid core of support, many Democrats do want a fresh face to take on George W. Bush in 2004. The same formal and informal polls that show Mr. Gore with substantially larger backing than any other Democratic hopeful also show that a great many donors, opinion makers and party leaders are uncommitted—and leaning toward Anyone But Gore. It’s possible that no amount of criticism will keep Mr. Gore out of the race, but there’s little question that "Gore fatigue" already has become a rallying point for his potential opponents. "At this point, people are uniformly looking for a different face and a different agenda, an agenda that requires a backbone," Vermont Governor Howard Dean, a potential Democratic contender, told The Observer. Asked about Mr. Gore’s efforts to make a fresh start as a straight-talking, independent-minded Democrat, Mr. Dean said, "I think it will be kind of a tough job for someone who was a sitting Vice President to call himself an outsider." Mr. Gore acknowledged his image problem among powerful Democrats, and that the onus will be upon him to recapture the loyalties of those who supported him in 2000. "Maybe I bear the blame for some of it," he said. "I haven’t been very good about calling all of the insiders over the last two years, and maybe some of them have a beef with me because of that. I know they have been courted assiduously by some of the others who are considering a run for the White House, and it may be that some of them have already signed up with other people. If I do decide to run again, I think there’s a lot of support, but I’d also have to work really hard to get a bunch of them committed back to me." Mr. Gore also reckoned that he would have to prove himself all over again to key political and media players. "I’m well aware that the political insiders and political-journalism community have a considerable amount of influence, and even though I’m stronger at the grassroots level, I think that if I did run again, I would have to convince those two groups that I’ve learned enough in the last couple of years to run a better campaign than I did last time. I don’t think that there’s a thing that I could say and no words I could choose that could accomplish that—the way to convince them would be in actually doing it." For now, Mr. Gore can only attempt to explain what motivates the ceaseless lampooning he continues to face from America’s columnists and commentators. "That’s postmodernism," he offered. "It’s the combination of narcissism and nihilism that really defines postmodernism, and that’s another interview for another time, if you’re interested in it.
Gore is a really bright man who has NO political savvy whatsoever. He can still have an impact on policy and politics, but it shouldn't be by running for President.
Oh, he's whiny, all right. And I don't want him to run again. But I almost happen to agree with this assessment of media in the US, to an extent. I believe it's more driven by commercial forces than it is by evil billionaires from the top down. The media panders exclusively to what will sell advertising time. And as the populace becomes more conservative, more sedate, more interested in just buying things and being entertained, the media panders to that so that they can sell advertising time. So what passes as "news" these days is fairly non-objective, slanted, watery, pathetic, if you ask me. (whoops. nobody asked me. damn.)
i don't disagree...but it is hilarious to me to hear democrats complain about fox news when dan rather breaks into tears announcing election returns that favor republicans. when peter jennings looks incredulous that the democrat didn't win. when surveys are taken inside major publications that indicate that editorial and reporter staff are typically overwhelmingly registered democrats. but that's not really why i posted this thread here...i was really focusing on gore.
it's not...not at all different...but this isn't gore's only whine. i'm not talking about dems as a whole...i'm talking about al gore, who since 2000 has offered very few ideas but a lot of whining on numerous issues.
Fair enough, I guess. BTW, mark your calendar for December 14. That's the day I'm buying you and Refman a beer!! E-mail me at blake@corp.swirve.com so I'll have your address.
Well, one way it's different is that you're not calling Al Gore paranoid for thinking there's a conservative media bias.
1) He is whiney...see Florida. 2) He's right about this...and so what? Who here doesn't know that each news agency has a pretty well defined political agenda? Who here thinks that the news is the only area of North American life where corporate interests don't play a major role? I'm not saying he's wrong to voice it...Maybe the only way it'll ever change is if people do bring it up, irrespective of whether it's old news...It's just that Gore doesn't represent the kind of guy I really want to rally behind on this or any issue.
How about the matter of scale? Are those who reside left of center due 100% of the media in their camp? How do we determine what is whining and what is legitimate complaint or criticism?
Man I thought it said... "Al Gore Is Winning Again" That would have been a thread worth responding to.
I think that the media is full of a bunch of simpletons too. That doesn't make me whiny, b/c I'm flexing and punching the fishtank when I write this. I was raised to think that the media was full of a bunch of Supermen, doing their best to inform the public. The media, instead, is full of a bunch of bull**** artists, that contribute 9 parts entertainment value and one part gloss over of the day's public events. I also agree that FOX and Rush have more of the public's ear than the rest of the sensible media (I don't put CNN in 'sensible media', btw). It's easier to be sassy. It's easier to be sensational. For all of the people reading this thread that, in fact, think of themselves as being nice noble people, let me pose the following questions: 1) a woman's skirt gets caught by the wind. What do you do? 2) someone gets crushed by an 18 wheeler on I-10. You're driving by the scene of the accident, what do you do? 3) a humorist takes barbs at an elected leader b/c of a gaff, what do you do. I, in order, look look laugh. It's the simple-minded thing to do. Prurient interests are prurient interests. The media feeds on these impulses. Me caving into these impulses doesn't suddenly make me 'noble'. Just b/c these impulses are hard coded, that doesn't mean that I can't expect, and my wife won't ask, more of me. Many of us expect more out of ourselves and our neighbors. I think that much of that starts from within... who we associate with, but also who we solicit our information from throughout the day. If you want objective information, I suggest the bbc, sprinkled w/ some csmonitor. If you want sassy, read tnr or listen to rush. Just recognize that the stuff you're getting from tnr and rush is from zealots. Zealots lie to win arguments. If you're using their rhetoric to win an argument, as good zealots do, you are lying too.
Really nice post, Achebe. Who was it that used to have Roosevelt's "critic" quote in their sig? That quote rocked. So did your post.
I, in order pull out camera, take pic and post on web concentrate on staying on correct side of road smirk and then think up own more witty and sarcastic comment about said leader
Thanks Batman for your kind words, Smeggy for your honesty. The disgust that the conservatives have for Smeggy and I will only further my case!!
1.) He finds reasons to whine...see old hag. 2.) He tells us things we already know about and plays the blame game...just like demoted Bob from work.
Gee, MadMax is whining again... Look, why don't you just enjoy the increased pollution, decreasing wildlife population, destruction of national forests and parks, and collapsing economy. Stop worrying about Gore.
Thanks Heb, i know what you mean, sometimes i think my honesty is only thing that brings me back Your ability to rise above your environment and habitat and lead a normal yet unconservative life is amazing and i must commend you for it, makes me think of this great quote "A duck who thinks he's a rooster and now a pig who thinks he's a dog!"