I watched an episode of Penn and Teller Bull **** last week and they did a show on global warming. They basically showed Al Gore to be a fraud. First off they looked at Al Gore’s carbon emissions and found that Al’s home put out more carbon emissions than 17 average homes in the U.S. Second Al only decided to do something about that after he was confronted with the information. What was Al’s solution? To install solar panels and contribute a large sum of money to solar credits. Of course the carbon credit company turned out to be owned by Al Gore. Is anyone making more money off of the Global Warming Scare than Al Gore? Apparently his carbon credit company has been sending out employees to harass people coming out of grocery stores to among other places to collect money for carbon credits from consumers buy using guilt as a tool. John Coleman, the founder of the weather channel wants to sue Al Gore for fraud. Here is a link to the story which is a few months old. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337710,00.html Here is a link to a video from John Coleman as well. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337710,00.html# Here is a link to the brief John Coleman wrote on Global Warming. http://media.kusi.clickability.com/documents/Comments+on+Global+Warming1.pdf A couple of things that John Coleman pointed out: 1. During the 1970’s the planet was going through a cooling trend and guess what was considered the culprit? Carbon Emissions. The same carbon emissions that are claimed to be causing global warming now. 2. John has a chart that shows the cooling and warming trends of the planet as well as the amount of fossil fuels that we have used over the years. The cooling and warming trends look like the sign waves on an oscilloscope. The planet gets hotter and colder regardless of the amount of carbon emissions or fossil fuels used. While the amount of fossil fuels used has steadily increased over the years the rise in temperature has not been proportionate to the increased use in fossil fuels...and it’s not even close. There appears to be no measurable data at all that supports the theory that there is any correlation between the increased usage of fossil fuels and global warming. I am no scientist and I am not saying that the increased usage of fossil fuels is having no effect on our planet but like Penn and Teller said in their last episode of Bull ****, “No one really knows for sure.”
Penn and Tellers Bull**** is really funny, and they do show some good facts, but they also don't really show anything against their arguments, besides showing clips of interviewing dumbasses.
Do you support using your celebrity status as a former Vice President to creat paranoia for the sole purpose of making money?
Penn & Teller are liberal guys, nice to see them look beyond politics on this one. They have a good Bull**** show on the 911 conspiracies too.
I'm sorry but did that thread mention anything about John Coleman? Have you reviewed any of the charts that the founder of the weather channel produced? There is no relation to carbon emmissions and global warming. Al Gore is a fraud and caron credits is a scam that is putting money in Al Gores pockets. I am all for finding alternate fuels but I am not all for lying and creating paranoi in our society in order to put money in Al's pockets.
Sounds like they are basically rehashing the same 'evidence' laid out in Michael Chritons (sp?) State of Fear, which is a pretty good book but scientifically flawed. Google it for the smackdown that climate scientists gave that book.
Say what you will about Al Gore, but you are absolutely wrong about global warming. http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-syr.htm
I don't think so. I am open for discussion if you like but I consider John Coleman to be as reputable a source as can be produced as far as weather trends. After all that was his business when he founded the weather channel. The charts in Mr Colemans report tracks Carbon Emmissoins, Solar Emmissions and temperature trends. The charts are very easy to read and show that there is no relatioin to todays temperature and carbon emmissions. Global Warming is happening but not because of any man made phenomina, it is happening because of increased solar activity from the sun. Mr. Colemans analyses and reaserch has been backed up by other PHD scientest. Between 1940 and 1972 hydrocarbon use rose 330% and yet temperatures were dropping to the point that we thought we were entering another ice age. If you look at the charts on in the report you will see that our planets temperature is directly proportanate to the suns solar activity. http://media.kusi.clickability.com/documents/Comments+on+Global+Warming1.pdf
- AGU (American Geophysical Union) http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2005/2005GL023429.shtml there are more sources still
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport It appears that a large number of prominent scientists disagreee with your IPCC report.
I would prefer that NO opinion of a celebrity be used to justify any public policy decision. Al Gore is different because his celebrity stems from years in the Senate and being VP. In the case of a former politician, I would prefer that we not cite his opinion when acting on it lines his pockets via a puppet corp.
1. Penn & Teller shouldn't be used as a source for anything factual, especially related to science. They aren't even very funny. (Do I really have to post that ?) I'm a scientist. Do you want my advice on interior decorating? How to manage your money? Please no. 2. There is substantial correlation between the start of global temps climbing and the start of the industrial revolution. That is NOT proof. 3. Your last statement is great. The answer, I've heard straight from the horse's mouth* is: true, nobody knows for sure, it is a game of probability, but the more carbon we put in the atmosphere, the more we are loading the dice for runaway, destructive warming. * = Stephen Schneider, Stanford climatologist, advisor to six presidential administrations, member of the national academies of science. He's a dude with no hyperbole, just a deep, forty-year view of the data and the models.
are you sure about that? I saw that episode, and it was Penn and Teller who sent the girl to the store to see if people would actually give her money.
I haven't been able to find any proof that he even has any kind of degree in any kind of climate science, as best as I can tell, his degree is in communication. This guy became one of the first weathermen in the 50s when tv was starting out when being a weatherman didn't require actually knowing about weather. http://www.uiaa.org/urbana/highlights/comeback.html He's at the bottom, 1980. It says his name and his graduation year, 1957 which is the year it says on his wiki. As for you list of 400 scientists, have you actually looked through the list? There isn't one prominent climate scientist. It's filled with economist who aren't scientists. There's even an inventor on that list who didn't actually say he thinks global warming isn't real, he just said in an interview once that nano technology will curb the use of fossil fuels and prevent it from happening. Basically, the overwhelming majority of people who actually study the climate and know the climate believe global warming is real.
