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Aging Lebron

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by daywalker02, Dec 12, 2022.

  1. daywalker02

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    Ronaldo's dribbling has dipped so his team has to deliver to him opposed to prior to that when he could just dribble in there.

     
  2. IBTL

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    Boo to Lebron.
     
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    Yes it's particularly noticeable when wingers lose their pace.
     
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    He is 6'2 so he can still handle the middle with his superior headers.....
     
  5. roslolian

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    Bro he's the or will be the career leader in minutes played (playoff+regular season). If his body is degrading due to PED he'd have retired by now.

    If it's just PEDs that's making him dominant then we should be seeing players everywhere have 21 yr careers as superstars since something like that can't be kept a secret for 2 decades. The PED maker won't be satisfied with just Lebron he'd have sold it to other clients too similar to what happened with Armstrong.
     
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    What? Pay attention. LeBron would have had a long career whether he used or not; Wade would have had a short career whether he used or not. Evidence: Wade suffered injuries even before the NBA; LeBron hasn't had any major injuries. They're built different. So, Wade's short career and LeBron's longevity is not proof that LeBron never used or that Wade used, either.

    You're making a lot of assumptions. First, many superstars would choose to take PEDs to have longer primes. Second, secrets can't be kept. Third, the PED maker wouldn't be satisfied with one client.

    Not everyone is meant to have a long career with or without PEDs. Secrets can most definitely be kept. And the PED maker could have multiple clients or LeBron could pay extra to be his exclusive client.

    We don't know. All we know is that LeBron has been by far the most athletic player in the NBA. Incredible, as in not credible. When we've seen things like this in the past... I mean, the truth comes out. Like it did for Lance Armstrong. Maybe it will for LeBron Armstrong.
     
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    Lebron is showing us that he’s 100000% built different or born different.

    He’s playing better at age 39 better than most of the league.

    Just unreal.
     
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    Isn't the problem with PEDS they wreck your body long term to get gains in the short term? If there were PEDS that had no long term side effects it wouldn't be banned and it would just be called a supplement like what Herbalife or GNC sell. Having injuries is different from PEDS cuz PEDS are known to destroy your body it's like taking poison. Doesn't matter how healthy Bron is pretty sure if you feed him arsenic he'll die no matter how much he is built different.

    I'm making a lot of assumptions but so are you saying it's suspicious lol. Your entire post is one big assumption that something is wrong but then when I do the same suddenly I'm wrong? You even contractdict yourself you say I'm assuming secrets can't be kept but then you say truth comes out. Lol you are the one not paying attention. You mentioned Armstrong well with Armstrong there were a lot of them taking PEDS being supplied by their supplier that's how he got found out. The fact that Lebron is the only one with a 20 yr prime shows it's not artificial since nobody is even close. In fact he isn't even being suspected or investigated so doesn't matter how much you wait there's no results to wait for:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/othe...s/nba-lebron-james-ped-investigation-30935734
     
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    Lebron would get so much more respect if he didn't play victim all the time, protest too much about his perception, or flop more than Vlade Divac.
     
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    Do you believe athletes are taking PEDs from the 70s or something? o_O

    Secrets can be kept, but the secrets related to athletes like Bonds and Armstrong came out. Secrets were kept around those guys for years.

    Lance Armstrong won several Tour de Francés in a row. Something that had never been done. It is true that everyone was doing it, but he was winning the races. And I want to say he was dominant. It was suspicious.

    As far as that article, it doesn't prove anything. The fact that people around LeBron were named in a Biogenesis investigation is suspicious. Who knows why they weren't investigated further. Maybe they were after bigger fish. Maybe they backed off when they found out who they're associated with.

    It even gives some credibility to the reports back in the day that Rich Paul was buying HGH for LeBron when the initials RP and LJ showed up in some Biogenesis receipts. It shows a possible pattern of LeBron using people around him to buy whatever.

    These reveals typically aren't so sudden. The people are prepared little by little. The rise and fall of famous people in all walks of life is literally ritual in this society.
     
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    People can debate LeBron v Jordan, but Lakers LeBron v Wizards Jordan isn't much of one
     
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    Imagine fellating MJ like I fellate LeBron.

    Shameful.
     
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    This is technically the year to begin the comparison since this is LeBron's age 38 season as Jordan's first season with the Wizards was also his age 38 season.

    And it ain't even close. Jordan was broken shell of his former self athletically. LeBron made Zion look unathletic and helpless when they matched up. Yeah, Zion is fat and couldn't care less, but still.
     
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    LeBron has a dog.

     
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    Armstrong won 7 in a row, Lebron's been a superstar for 21 yrs they aren't on the same stratosphere. I guess MJ is on drugs too since he won 2 three peats which is closer to Armstrong's performance and he even had a short career and became washed which is similar to Armstrong who also quickly became washed after having his 7 peat. MJ never had a major injury so why was he washed so quickly? Must be the PEDS right? MJ took PEDS which made him dominant for 8 yrs and then those PEDS destroyed his body that's why he became a scrub at age 38 even if he took several seasons off and had the least miles of anyone. His PEDS must also be the reason why MJ kept retiring and unretiring, he needed rest so his body can recover from juice overdose.

    Based on that MJ is more suspicious than Lebron. You're literally spitballing and throwing accusations with no evidence then MJ tbh has more material than Lebron. MJ even has ties to mafia and is from Chicago same as DWade and it's pretty clear DWade was on some juice. Both MJ and DWade dropped off quickly and short careers so they must be hitting from the same supplier
     
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    What's different about this moment is that LeBron is better now than he's been in years. You'd have to go back to Cleveland to see him move like this. For some of his current stats, you'd have to go back to Miami. He's now amongst the best players in the league again at age 38.

    All PEDs don't shorten careers. You keep saying that. These aren't the steroids athletes were taking in the 70s. What they use today prevents injuries, allows someone to workout longer, helps them recover faster, etc. For all we know, the stuff LeBron had access to has nano bots in it repairing his body.

    Not all athletes are built the same, either. You give 10 of them the same drugs in the same way you'd get 10 different effects.

    Jordan could have used, too. Who knows. His fall will have something to do with gambling (if not, he'll die unexpectedly). Not steroids, though. Why? Because there's been smoke regarding Jordan's gambling not any drug use.

    You could choose to ignore the smoke around LeBron. The connections to clinics. There was a growth on his chin he needed removed. The body changes. What the UFC guy said recently. His incredible play after years of not looking like this.
     
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    What stuff are you talking about? You started off telling me not to make assumptions now everything you post are all assumptions. MJ played in the 90s before socmed it's a lot easier to hide stuff before unlike now where there's paparazzi everywhere. You keep saying steroids today do so much for the athlete but nobody even close to Lebron. You'd think guys like Kawhi who are in danger of getting their career cut short would also take these magical steroids you keep talking about but nah, all these other players are extremely honorable and LeBron is the only desperate player in the entire league that's why he is the only one taking them? Bruh. This sounds so dumb I'm cringing as I type it.

    Until there's concrete evidence you just have to accept he is the GOAT. Unless someone gets some dirt on him he is the goat because MJ is trash at this age already. MJ only played 15 yrs and he was a scrub for the last 2 so really you only got 13 seasons of superstardom. Lebron's played 21 yrs as a superstar and counting, 2 more years he doubles MJ I don't think any sane person can make an argument for MJ over Lebron then.
     
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    So nobody could hide anything anymore because of Twitter and Instagram? Nobody gets away with anything anymore?

    Alright, let's say we have 3 supercars. All could preform at the highest levels for any given race. Let's say we give each of them some super fuel. Will we get the same results for all of them?

    All of them will run better. But for how long? Will the car built with a faulty suspension have its suspension fixed by the super fuel? Nope. Eventually, the suspension will fail.

    The other 2 are more durable, but one of those two just never breaks down. One of them is a Toyota Tacoma super car that lasts forever and the other is a Porsche that doesn't. The super fuel will improve their performance, but the Tacoma will last longer because they're built to last longer.

    Same for people. Kawhi wasn't built to last. There is no drug around that will fix his degenerative knee. He apparently has a body of stone and he takes care of himself, but nothing he can do about knees with disappearing cartilage or whatever.


    If longevity makes LeBron the best, then sure, he's the best.
     

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