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Afghanistan 2021

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Jun 25, 2021.

  1. pirc1

    pirc1 Contributing Member

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    Getting out of Afghanistan is inevitable, but the execution of the withdrawal is the problem. The biggest problem is did the intel group lie to Biden or he ignored the intel provided.

    If the intel was wrong, how much should future leaders trust the intel provided to them? I have a hard time believing the intel community would lie to Biden, so I am leaning toward bad intel.
     
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    I blame Bush.
     
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    The other possibility is that he Intel was mixed and the Biden Admin chose to emphasize the intel that most fit their narrative.
     
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    Or maybe this would happen if we stayed another year or ten years and was the inevitable outcome?

    We spent 20 years training the ANCOP and ANA with me personally doing it when I was in Marine infantry.

    Please someone tell me how many more years of training before those entities become competent enough to hold a regime we put in place?
     
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    After 20 years and still 5k troops there, it happened with such ease. Short of us always being there, this was going to be the outcome.

    Why did Obama & Trump fail to bring everyone home when they both made promises (and putting timelines past their terms end doesn't count) is because this was what would happen if they did. Nobody wanted to take the political hit that was going to happen one we did leave.

    There are never good options for us when it comes to the middle east.
     
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    I don't think anyone expected it to
    happen this fast.
     
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    The goal was never a government, freedom, terrorism fight. If that were the case we wouldn't be arming saudi arabia

    It was always about cheney and company squeezing every last penny they can from us taxpayers using the blood of 911 no less. Sick.

    halliburton and no bid contracts.

    All to supposedly chase a dude hiding in pakistan from saudi arabia.

    Joe should release the 9-11 saudi info as well f*uck all these bastards
     
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    I did. Most people who served there and trained ANCOP and ANA did. They were extremely incompetent.

    I commend Biden for taking the political hit for what was inevitable. Trump was all talk when bragging about withdrawing military presence in the forever wars and conveniently set the withdrawal date in May when he possiblity wouldn't be president so he can deflect any fallout. If he was reelected I bet my left nut he would extend the date to "undetermined"
     
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  13. Ubiquitin

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    They would be speaking Mandarin in Japan.
     
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    Most of them already are dead.

    As someone that has intimate knowledge of that region of the world, and has spent a great deal of time studying the area, has been to the general area a number of times and has a spouse that is a victim of genocide in that region..... the world has no general idea of how destroyed that area of the world is, how little accountability there is for anyone from the locals to the US and China and Russia..... and just how incredibly culturally scrubbed it is. What has been done in the Middle East is horrendous.
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    Not sure if serious but given that the PRC only recently has had a modern Navy it's doubtful they would've taken or even attempted to take Japan without the US. Even before the US stepped in they couldn't take Taiwan or even some islands that you could swim to from the mainland.
     
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    Probably many of them are dead but there are still likely thousands of Afghans and their families who helped the US that are still alive.
     
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    It's really unfortunate. The area of legitimate criticism for the Biden admin is not having a more robust refugee program for Afghan Nationals who helped NATO forces over the years leading up to the withdrawal.
     
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    China was poor and in a civil war. China didn't really become a world power until the last 30 years or so.
     

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