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Affirmative Action for police departments according to racial breakdowns- Yay or nay?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DallasThomas, Sep 4, 2002.

  1. DallasThomas

    DallasThomas Member

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    This is an idea I thought up all by myself (Yeah me!!:)). It's not something that's up for legislature or anything, it just came across my mind subsequent to something that happened to me. Here's my concept:

    Break down a city/county/state by race and use that percentage to proportion the respective police forces by race. It's an affirmative action spinoff, but I think it's kind of called for when it comes to the police. Let's just say Houston consists of 30% Hispanic, 28% White, 29% Black, 8% Asian, 1% Native American and 4% "Other", then I think their police force should reflect those stats. It's unconstitutional to screen race in employment consideration (or at least I'm pretty sure), but I think it would be a good idea to ammend that rule in application to police forces. Why? Because that would help reduce some of the racial profiling that is always present with any law enforcement group. It's an ever-present dilemma and I think anything that can help it would be of benefit.

    Here's the story that provided me the reason to even feel the need for this:
    Edit: I probably shouldn't have posted this story on the internet, so I'm deleting it. The gist of it was I was in a situation where people I was with were racially discriminated against by a white cop, but I was let off despite being as guilty or more guilty than they were. I felt that it was because I am white that I received preferential treatment.


    How about you? Am I crazy? What are the flaws in my concept? How possible is this?
     
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  2. DallasThomas

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    Repost...sorry:(
     
  3. Rocket River

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    Actually I would be better is Cops patrol the neighborhoods they live in . . .then they less likely to be A-holes to the consumers . . or in cop-speak alledged criminal.

    Rocket River
     
  4. BrianKagy

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    Why just cops? Why not everything? Why should we let free-market forces determine the racial composition of any group?

    How do you see this being implemented?

    What if no cops wanted to live in the Fifth Ward?
     
  5. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    You can't force people to apply for a position that may require bullets to be shot at them. That being said, the best that actually apply should get the position regardless off race. I don't know if that's the case, though.
     
  6. TheFreak

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    Who says only whites racially profile? Why wouldn't a black cop do the same thing? I think that's a little naive. The profile of a potential criminal doesn't change based on the race of a cop, does it? Cops are going to do what they think they need to do to perform their job, whether they are black or white. IMO at least.
     
  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Don't think this would work, I think the answer is to IGNORE race on applications, eliminate the question all together, just hire based upon merit only.

    DD
     
  8. BrianKagy

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    I don't think these things are mutually exclusive. It's good objective information to have in case a lawsuit is filed over hiring practices.
     
  9. Htownhero

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    Good idead, but eventually a face to face interview occurs. Should we set up confessional like booths where the interviewer and the interviewee can't see one another? More importantly, is intervieweee even a word? :p
     
  10. Joe Joe

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    Q1: Good idea, but cops probably have to complete some physical test in which their race/sex is noticable unless they were forced to do it in a sumo suit.
    Q2: Intervieweee is not a word. Interviewee is a word.
     
  11. MadMax

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    I can think of only a few positions where I would support a system of making merit second to skin color any less than I would with police officers. Not a good idea, in my opinion.
     
  12. DallasThomas

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    Okay y'all, these are all very well made points. But my main concern is that absolute power corupts absolutely. I really wish it were possible to fully screen police officers, psychologically analyze them, and never look at them in the whole process. But most cities are in such need of law enforcement help that they hire almost anyone. I remember a few months back a commercial for Austin Police Department here. It was blatantly targeted at women and african americans. It even said "Are you a woman? Are you african american? Then if so, APD would love to hear from you." I guess they were way too high on male cops of other races at the time. But they probably hired all the people who came in after that ad with virtually no thorough consideration of character. That's what worries me. If relatively random people like that, no matter their race, are making it into a position with as much power as an officer has; then any bias is liable to slip into their consideration when doing their job. The reason why I even brought this up is because, although it's absurd, it's just as absurd as what we have going now.

    Oh, and Brian- I would only do this with cops because they are the people whose preexisting stereotyping tendencies can effect others the most.
     
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    What if the cop was mixed, who would he work for then?
     
  14. DallasThomas

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    That is a very good point. My theory is way too flawed to be practical. But like my cousin who was with me when this incident occurred, I honestly believe he would have been better off if we had been pulled over by an officer who was half Puerto Rican and half white like he is. Neither him nor my friend with me at the time should have been arrested if you ask me. I know you used to be a cop, and I'm pretty sure (based on what I know of you) that you would have judged our situation based on the facts instead of the 3 colors. I would love it if more people like you were serving the public, but I honestly think that too high of a percentage base their judgements on stereotypes (because any is too many). Now this idea of mine probably wouldn't fix anything, because there are too many factors in discrimination. But I just want to know if there is anything that can be done to help prevent stuff like what happened to my cousin and friend. I would love your imput on this, because you're probably one person with more insight on the situation than any of us.
     
  15. Rocket River

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    How about someone in 5th ward wanting to be a Cop?
    Are 5th Warders untrainable?

    outreach Programs?

    Rocket River
     
  16. Rocket River

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    Merit? MERIT? we are talking about hiring COPS!!

    Rocket River
    When has MERIT had anything to do with cops
     
  17. BrianKagy

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    How is that different from what I asked? The phrasing I used didn't exclude people who live in the 5th Ward from wanting to be cops. What if someone from the 5th Ward became a cop, then wanted to move out of that neighborhood?

    I'm willing to bet there are lots of people who live there who are very eager to move out and wouldn't appreciate being told, "Well, even though you can afford to move out, you have to keep living in the 5th Ward".

    I think you're making an assumption here.
     
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    Thanks DT but don't give me too much credit. There are times when the person in question would attack me racially in hopes of getting me into some fracas, a few times it worked. Even though I felt like there was no way other to handle it, I regretted the fact that I could be coerced into a 'playa to playa, pimp to pimp' confrontation. Although still not right, I did so with my hands, not my stick or gun, which is another issue all together.

    I do not think that enough cops handle aggressive situations appropriately, white or otherwise. I further believe that cops should handle every volatile situation as if he didn't have a gun, stick, taser or back-up.

    Black cops face a different problem, I was challenged constantly by whites as if I didn't know what I was talking about. I felt that because of my age (21-26) and my race, the majority of them claimed to know the law better than me, often threatened to 'have my badge' and routinely called me 'boy'.

    Based on hundred of traffic stops my dialogue was more agressive to whites. Having said that, I don't think that all cops are good, but most try to make the best decisions based on their experiences.



    Rocket R- Having cops to patrol their own neighborhoods presents a different set of problems, would you want your family to live next door to a guy that you had to send to jail?

    This is a very interesting topic.
     
  19. Rocket River

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    The point is. . . If I wanna move to indiana . . . i have to wait for an opening in my company to move there OR I find another job

    how is this different?


    Rocket River
     
  20. Rocket River

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    I think that would have a positive affect all around.

    The cop would be a bit more careful in how he handles a situation
    [won't unnecessarily beat down folx . . . cause HE LIVES THERE TOO]

    The Drug dealer is aware that this cop is ALWAYS around
    so he has to downlow it or move around

    We had a cop in our neighborhood [apt complex]
    and everyone pretty much knew him . .. and his area
    of the complex was not as bad as the rest. He didn't do
    to much IN the complex per se but the fact that he was there
    made a difference.

    Rocket River
    I don't hate cops. . i hate bad cops
    it just so happens I have run into more bad than good
     

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