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Adelman needs to be careful

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Dec 28, 2009.

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Is Adelman using his experience and being 100% objective?

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  2. Mostly

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  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I'm really starting to get the impression that Adelman has not been very objective in his decision making (specifically with T-Mac situation). Everytime the microfracture surgery is mentioned, his face turns blue.

    I'm beginning to wonder if Adelman is letting his fear of a Sacramento repeat affect his objectivity in this situation. I'm beginning to wonder if he's already convinced that T-Mac will be a Chris Webber rather than an Amare Stoudemire (recovery-wise). The truth is, that may be true, but if you believe it before seeing it, then your attitude will sort of fulfill the prophecy.

    Because if T-Mac CAN make a full recovery yet he is treated as if there is no chance of him becoming 95% of the player he was before, then he will start believing that as well. It will slow down his progress. It will affect his motivation.

    I must add a disclaimer: It's great that Adelman has had experience with the same surgery with an ageing superstar. It should make it easier to deal with the situation and comprehend it. However, my concern is that Adelman is using the one situation to define all similar situations, whereas he should be using that experience to improve the situation. At present, his handling of the T-Mac situation has been below average IMO. Everyone and their mother believed T-Mac's minutes would increase and he would play in one of the back-to-backs.

    This is a question (poll) and a plea. I hope this is not the case. What do you guys think?
     
  2. BrooksBall

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    I think it's ridiculous that anybody is doubting Rick Adelman (or Daryl Morey, for that matter) over Tracy McGrady given the track records of those three individuals.
     
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    Adelman doesn't want to ruin a good thing. He's also a coach who sets the rotation early in the season. Giving Tmac unearned minutes would go against his coaching philosophy.

    Then there's the cluster**** that is last year...

    If TMac wowed the team in practices, I'm guessing things would be a different story. From his recent play, I'm guessing he wanted star treatment in order to play back into "Elite Contract" status.

    **** that.
     
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    Adelmen knows best Im assuming, and that hurts because I want Mcgrady to go on a shock the world tour, but it looks like he is more of a webber.....I hope Im wrong but you got to just roll with the punches....
     
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    And if you over work T-mac, then he'll be injured forever.
     
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    But he's not really doubting him over Tracy. He's just doubting Adelman. It's a legitimate point that Rick may be being overcautious because of his mishandling of the Webber situation, though I don't think that's what's going on.
     
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    The coach publicly came out and stated that we will evaluate Tmac over 7 games. Tmac accepted then decided later that it was not what he wanted to do...so how the hell is that the coach's problem...Tmac could not even keep his mouth shut for games with out throwing a tantrum.

     
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    ...tmac has said himself that he is coming back early from this injury.

    tmac has NOT looked anywhere near 100% or even 90% in his short stints.

    why question adelman when tmac hasn't looked like a player that needs more minutes?
     
  9. OldSchool34

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    Adelman is the type of coach I love, Earn your minutes stop building it off of a mothertrucking reputation She-Mac.
     
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    trevor ariza sure earns his 48billion mpg...
     
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    Well, yes. It is logical to think that a microfracture surgery for a not young athelete with an injury history will be more similar to a not young athelete with an injury history than to a young athlete who doesn't have a strong injury history.

    Given I haven't really said major evidence to the contrary, I'm not sure what the problem is.
     
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    Adelman is not making this decision on his own. Morey and Les are also part of it. All 3 of them are fed up with McGrady. I don't think what happened with Chris Webber has much to do with it.
     
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    why question adelman when tmac hasn't looked like a player that needs more minutes?[/QUOTE]


    Question it because the agreement was that he would play around 7 minutes for the first six games then his minutes would increase so that he could get back in the rotation slowly. But adelman changed that. So obviously he doesnt care about gettin him back in the rotation which is unfair to t-mac. Playin 7 minutes accomplishes nothing and proves nothing. Increase his minutes an get him back in the rotation or trade him. Theyre screwin t-mac by doin this.
     
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    I believe that his experience with Webber is a big factor in how he is handling this. I believe that he's a fair person and limited Tracy's minutes for his own good. If Dick Justice is lying, someone really needs his head this time. I would really like to know, from someone beside Dick Justice's mouth, what is really going on. I don't like this one bit on either end, and I don't think that either Tracy or Adelman have entirely bad intentions. I don't recall where, but I remember hearing that McGrady had some money issues a while back. I get the feeling that his desperate pleas for playing time recently are due to money issues that he may be worrying about. I don't think and I hope that he's not a Sprewell but it is a business after all. Like you, I also wonder these things, but only time will tell, because the truth is that no one here knows for sure.
     
  15. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Yes, but I'm discussing abuse of credibility here as well.

    Take this example. Tomorrow, if Iverson misses practice because of his son's graduation, and the coach says he just decided to skip the practice with no reason.. Who are you going to believe? Clearly the coach.

    But you must realize that the coach KNOWS this and holds the responsibility of not abusing his credibility. Unfortunately, in the extreme worst case scenario, the coach may be a douche who decided to further tarnish iverson's image by playing on his past. Yes, Iverson is responsible for having that past. But that doesn't mean the coach is not a giant douchebag.

    I still want to state very clearly that I think Adelman is among the top 3 or 4 coaches in the league. Easily. Great guy. Honest guy. A rational guy.

    At this point in time, there is no rational answer, so he is struggling IMO. He is reaching in his mind to the only thing that CAN bring logic and rationale to the situation - Chris Webber's microfracture surgery doomed the Kings and it cost Adelman a job he never really wanted to lose.
     
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    Correction:

    T-Mac said he is coming back LATE from this surgery.

    What you're talking about is that T-Mac said he has RECOVERED early from his surgery.

    MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR HUGE GIGANTIC difference.
     
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    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Legitimate expectation buddy. I assure you that everyone and their gardener thought that those 7 games will lead into slightly more minutes.

    No one can blame T-Mac for expecting to play more after 7 games. It may be a miscommunication - but that would be the coach's fault. If he had told TMac that "after 7 games, you will sit. no questions asked." then I would be far more supportive of Adelman's position.

    At the moment though, I am frustrated for McGrady. Frankly, I'm not certain he will make this team better. I'm not certain his presence on this team is good for him OR us.

    For me, at the moment, the fact that he has not asked to be traded despite being on a genuinely incompatible team is a giant plus for T-Mac. It shows that he WANTS to make it work. In Orlando, he quit because the team quit or sucked (dont really wanna discuss this). In Houston, his organization has somewhat quit on him already writing him off from a full comeback - but he still wants to stay.

    I hope that T-Mac clears his head for a while. Gets in some terriffic practices now that he remembers the pace of the game. Then comes back and gets minutes.

    It may be brilliant on Adelman's part. At the same time, it may be terrible. I do know that Adelman, Morey and T-Mac ALL bleed Rockets red. I hope they find a way around this.
     
  18. meh

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    Such a coach would literally have no ability to coach in the NBA. This isn't elementary school, where the teacher's word is absolute. Half the players in the NBA are paid more than the coaches. And star players get coaches fired, not vice versa.

    If Adelman is such a person, then surely we'd have heard a ton of rumblings about him from his past 20 years of coaching.
     
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    Why does everyone keep saying that we dont ruin a good thing as though we are this great team right now because thats not the case. There is no wat in the world that this team can open their mouth to say that we dont need a "healthy" Tracy. But how will we know if he doesnt get the minutes.
     
  20. J-Wood

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    You make a very good point and I hope that youre not right about Rick but you very well may be. However, at this point I really dont think that Rick is the only person that you can blame for these decisions.

    I feel that the organization has some bitterness towards Tracy right now for previous comments that he has made which has nothing to do with basketball or whether we should play. While Daryl does have a great track record, it doesnt mean that he cant make mistakes, lets just hope he knows what he doing as it relates to this situation.

    And for you people that keep saying Tracy needs to shut up and stop saying he wants minutes, why would any coach or fan in the world consider a hungry player to be anything negative. How many of us would jump and the chance for our jobs to tell us that we can get paid but not have to do our job? But here you have a man that just wants to play and people are running around saying that he shouldnt be voicing his opinion. Any player that scores 10 points in 7 minutes on this Rockets team needs more minutes.

    If we are talking basketball, there is no reason that anyone should be saying that Tracy doesnt deserve to come back. He had one bad season which was last year when he was hurt, thats it. Prior to that if you check statisitics every year that we went to the playoffs he was the one player that always elevated his game, unfortunately the rest of the team could not say the same and we werent sucessful.
     

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