actually. its the fans fault why our team is the way it is now.

You're gonna get flamed.

 

Yes its our fault that our power forwards cant rebound or our team makes too many turnovers. Or its the fans fault that this team shows no energy or plays defense only when they want to.

I doubt that Les or CD actually read our posts and make personal decisions based on them. As far as the Griffen situation goes, how is it our fault that CD decided to cut him. Lets not forget that it was Griffen himself that checked himself into a hospital. By the way shooting a gun at your girlfriend is no small incident as you said.

Lastly, as far as it being our fault for the attendence being down, well thats the stupidest thing i have heard on this board. Most if not all the people who post here are REAL fans. thats why they come here. they want to talk about their team. They care about their team. I dont understand how you can relate attendence being down to people on this board.

 

"actually. its the fans fault why our team is the way it is now."-themocitydon

 

I agree with you completely..last year, Francis said Van Gundy's system didn't work, and people said "Francis is full of it, trade Francis, we need a pass first PG who won't focus on scoring, blah blah blah.."..and now people are realizing that Steve was right. Van Gundy is a bad coach, but people's hate for Francis made them take Van Gundy's side.

I mean look at what people are complaining about: First they're complaining about our PG's sucking and not being able to score. Last year they were saying they craved a PG who looked to pass first and shoot second. Well you got it now.

Also, this trade that everyone was in such a rush to execute lost us Cato, who was our best rebounder. Now what are people doing? Complaining about our lack of rebounders.

Then we have the chemistry. People are saying this team has no chemistry..well that's because you traded away the cornerstones of the franchise! None of these guys really know each other. I mean Yao, in his third year, has been here the second longest behind Mo Taylor (who you also wanna trade away). You can't keep putting random people together and expecting a winning combination.

I mean, we traded away our best scorer (Francis), our best rebounder (Cato), one of our best shooters (Cat), and ALL our chemistry...for 1 PG who you already hate (Lue), 1 PF who you blame for everything that goes wrong (Howard), and a SG who you complain about him showing no passion (T-Mac). You people bought this on yourselves.

I know peoplea are gonna come in saying "it's only 15 games in" or whatever, but think about it...when the trade went down everyone was saying "no excuses anymore", then when we lose in the preseason you said "wait til the season starts and the games actually count, then come see me", now that you're losing in the regular season, you say "well it's still early, and the team hasn't gelled yet."...what happened to NO EXCUSES?

 

I think Its Jeff Van Gundys fault

 

this guy is right....it is our faults. more specifically, my fault.


you see, i usually make sure to wear rocket gear on game day. well this season i decided that it was a bit immature, so i stopped. now look what i've done!

from here on out i will wear my rocket gear every game day with out fail starting with my mitchel and ness olajuwon throwback. december will be a good month now that i am back on track. sorry for the poor start guys.

 

Again i still dont believe that Les or Cd have enough free time or respect our opinions to actually make personal moves based on them.

Bryant, even though i do hate him, was not convicted of anything. And Artest just got suspended so there is a good chance he wont be on the pacers next year. i am not exactly sure what ruben patterson did but i am sure that he was not convicted of raping anybody. if he had been convicted he would not still be playing in the NBA.

 

You are indeed right on your assessment of the Rockets fans, while I would like to add that the city of Houston have some of the most bigoted fans in the nation. The fans came down hard on players like Francis, Mobley and Eddie Griffin for their shortcoming, but yet give players like Yao and Nachbar a free pass when they can't produce. I like Yao, but I'm not in denial to say that outside of Shaq that he is the next dominant center in the NBA. If Yao was anywhere close to being the next dominant center outside of Shaq, we would be a Championship contenter instead of pretender. Paired with T Mac, if Yao was dominant, we would be among the top in the western conference rather than among the bottom. I preached all along that Yao is in the mode of Rik Smit with a slightly better game. Fans make excuses for Yao, by saying that the team don't pass him the ball enough or that JVG can't coach, even if this is true, where is effort for rebounds and block shots for a player that is 7 "5". How long will it take Nachbar to get assimilated to the NBA game? He has yet to make the best of the minutes given him to prove that he is a worthy NBA players. Usually, a player gives some type of production like rebounds, assists, steals, block shots, if he is not given many scoring opportunity or limited minutes. I have yet to see this kind of productivity in at lest a third of the games Nachbar plays. Instead of blaming Boki, the fans rather put the blame on the coach and his team mates for not getting him involved. We continue to make excuse for why Yao and Nachbar aren't producing, but yet player out of high school like Dwight Howard, Lebron James and Amare Stoudemire have no problem coming in to NBA and producing right away. It is time for the bigoted Rockets fans to wake up.

 

I KNEW IT!! It was you all along.

 

Dude, what are you smoking? What does this team have to do w/ us? We pay management's salaries to find us the right coach and right players to run this squad. How do we have any part in it? We just pay and show up to watch them play. In our case, watch them lose. You got it all wrong.

 

There is alot of truth to what this guy is saying. No it isn't the fan's fault that the Rockets are playing this way. But just about everyone was eager to make this trade with very little though to what we were giving up.

Now we have to live with the consequences.

Mcgrady is an amazing player, when he wants to be. But there are alot of amazing players out there on losing teams. Winning is all about chemistry. And trading away the 3 guys who made up the core of our team for years is not a path to good chemistry.

 

Don't let it happen again . . .

 

You can't blame the fans for a management decision. Was everyone shouting in excitement for us to hire JVG? I know I wasn't. Personally I have never really liked the guy or thought of him as a good coach, and still feel that way.

Sure last year everyone wanted to blame franchise. He is a tremendous player, but just didn't fit well in JVG's system, and now some people are just figuring out that it is not necessarily the players, but it’s JVG’s lack of offensive coaching ability. He is a terrible offensive coach. We know it, the players know it, hell the whole league knows it. T-Mac is a great offensive player and he should not be struggling so much this far into the season. He is the prime example.

With JVG as the coach of this team we are not going anywhere. I hope they prove me wrong, but I don’t think it’s going to happen.

 

Ask Ron Artest if its the fan's fault.

 

If that's actually the case, then the blame should be placed at the feet of CD and Les. What front-office people in their right minds would base personnel decisions on what a few hundred drooling sports fans (myself included!) say on a BBS?

Really, that's the most absurd thing I've ever heard.


"Morning, CD."

"Morning, Les."

"What's on tap for today?"

"Well, DaDakota is pretty sure that we need a pass-first PG. I'm not so sure I agree with his assessment, but those ClutchBBS folks are seldom wrong."

"Yeah, they're a sharp bunch, those guys. I say we move on that advice, pronto. Get me Stockton's phone number. What else?"

"Everybody's convinced that Yao is going to be on the next plane to LA as soon as his contract expires. Big Asian population, nice-guy-coach Rudy, etc. Maybe these ClutchFans know something we don't."

"Good point. Let's send him packing while his trade value is still high. Who do they think we should get in return?"

"Don't know, Les. Let me start a poll -- I'll get back to you in a couple of hours."


Um... I don't think so.

 

GENIUS