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Academic Freedom and the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy

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  1. rimrocker

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    Two pieces from History News Network:
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    Rejoinder to Daniel Pipes: Fighting for Freedom of Speech
    By Eric Foner and Glenda Gilmore
    Mr. Foner is DeWitt Clinton Professor of History at Columbia University. Ms. Gilmore is Peter V. and C. Vann Woodward Professor of History at Yale University.

    "Why do American academics so often despise their own country while finding excuses for repressive and dangerous regimes?" So asks Daniel Pipes, self-appointed arbiter of acceptable speech and founder of Campus Watch, "a project to monitor, assess, and improve Middle East Studies in America."

    Pipes recently included us in a list of six "Professors who Hate America." His column, published online at History News Network and in print in the New York Post, the Jerusalem Post, and other newspapers, reached millions of readers. Using us as examples of professors who voice "relentless opposition to their own government," Pipes called for "outsiders (alumni, state legislators, nonuniversity specialists, parents of students and others)" to "take steps to ... establish standards for media statements by faculty."

    Were Pipes simply a crackpot who displayed a profound misunderstanding of academic freedom, there would be no cause for alarm. But his screed is symptomatic of a broader trend among conservative commentators, who since September 11 have increasingly equated criticism of the Bush administration with lack of patriotism. William Bennett, in his recent work Why We Fight, claims that scholars with whom he disagrees "sow widespread and debilitating confusion" and "weaken the country's resolve." The American Council of Trustees and Alumni (ACTA), an organization founded in 1995 by Lynne Cheney that calls on those groups to take a more "active" role in determining what happens on campuses, chastised professors who fail to teach the "truth" that civilization itself "is best exemplified in the West and indeed in America." Last year, ACTA posted online the names and affiliations of faculty members who in the wake of September 11 made statements it deemed insufficiently patriotic.

    Pipes's call for outsiders to police the statements of faculty conjures up memories of World War I and the McCarthy era, when critics of the government were jailed and institutions of higher learning dismissed antiwar or "subversive" professors. Historians today consider such episodes shameful anomalies in the history of civil liberties in America. But Pipes is calling for a return to those dark days, with Campus Watch, administrators, lawmakers, trustees, and parents dictating what faculty may and may not say in speeches and opinion columns. Moreover, in equating opposition to government policies with hatred of our country, Pipes displays a deep hostility to the essence of a democratic polity: the right to dissent.

    What did we say to inspire Pipes to advocate the abrogation of faculty members' right to express their views if they happen to differ with his? Our sin was (independently, in our universities' student newspapers) to oppose the Bush administration's assertion of the right to launch a preemptive war against Iraq. The same position has been voiced by numerous public figures, including members of the first Bush administration, former president Carter, and members of Congress like Senator Robert Byrd (who said that "an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation" would alter our national character). It is the viewpoint of virtually every country in the world, including most of the longtime allies of the United States. Neither of us offered any "excuse for dangerous and repressive regimes." It is one thing to deem a regime repressive, quite another to believe that the United States has the right to assume the unilateral role of global policeman.

    Pipes is disturbed that "professors of linguistics, chemistry, American history, genetics," etc., speak out on foreign policy. Putting aside the fact that "experts" are themselves sharply divided on the proper course to pursue in the Middle East, in a democracy all citizens, including faculty members, have a right to express their opinions on whether to send our sons and daughters, neighbors, friends, and colleagues, to war.

    Pipes wants "outsiders" to bring faculty into line with "the rest of the country." Fortunately, the two of us teach at universities whose administrations understand and value academic freedom. There is little chance that Columbia or Yale would allow alumni, parents, or trustees to dictate what opinions are patriotically correct and therefore can be voiced by faculty members. But many institutions are less financially secure and more dependent on the good will of private donors and state legislatures. Their administrators may feel themselves under pressure to bend to demands that would seriously weaken freedom of speech. Faculty around the country should realize that Pipes's assaults are part of a gathering threat to the free exchange of ideas on American college campuses.

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    Who's Behind the Attack on Liberal Professors?
    By Dave Johnson
    Mr. Johnson is a fellow at the Commonweal Institute.

    HNN INDEX: Are Historians Biased?

    In a recent article on HNN Professors Eric Foner and Glenda Gilmore worry that academic freedom is being eroded. While they address the McCarthyite tactics of the right, I think there may also be another interesting story here.

    I work with the Commonweal Institute, a moderate/progressive think tank. My work with Commonweal involves research into right-wing organizations. This research entails checking the affiliations of conservatives cited in news stories, articles, op-ed pieces, books and articles. The people and organizations Foner and Gilmore mention share interesting connections.

    The piece mentions Campus Watch, which is part of the Middle East Forum. If you visit the website of Cursor's Media Transparency, an organization that investigates right-wing foundations, you will discover that the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation fund the Middle East Forum.

    Next the piece mentions William J. Bennett. Many of Bennett's activities are funded by the far-right Heritage Foundation, which in turn is funded by the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Richard Mellon Scaife, Joseph Coors's Castle Rock Foundation and the Olin Foundation, among others.

    Next mentioned is the American Council of Trustees and Alumni. Turns out this group is funded by ... wait for it ... the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Scaife, Coors, Olin and a few others.

    Lynne Cheney, wife of Vice President Dick Cheney, mentioned next, is a Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, which is funded by the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Olin, Coors and the Smith Richardson Foundation. Mrs. Cheney was also chair of the National Endowment for the Humanities, which received funds at the time by the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation and Olin.


    Every One of Them?

    So it turns out that every single right-wing source mentioned in their article owes some portion (if not all) of their livelihood to a very small core group of funders. In my experience, this is not atypical among conservative opinion-makers. It appears that the majority of the conservative experts and scholars writing newspaper op-ed pieces, books and magazine articles, and even the organizations that generate the "talking points" and position papers used by TV pundits and radio talk show hosts, are directly funded by, or work for organizations supported by this core group of funders.

    This pattern of concentrated, interlinking financial backing is not found when you look into who is funding people and organizations that would not describe themselves as "conservatives".

    So What?

    Foner and Gilmore cite several apparently unconnected people and organizations as being part of "a broader trend among conservative commentators, who since September 11 have increasingly equated criticism of the Bush administration with lack of patriotism." Readers of the article might come away with the impression of a number of independent conservative "voices" concerned with what is being said on campus.

    But is this true? All the voices cited originate from organizations funded and coordinated by a core group of wealthy individuals and organizations. Any scholar finding what appears to be a broad trend should be aware that the deliberate creation of an illusion of broad trends is a tactic used to influence the public by the conservative movement that is funded by this core group.

    Some History of the Conservative Movement

    In 1971 the National Chamber of Commerce circulated a memo by future Supreme Court Justice Lewis Powell among business leaders which claimed that "the American economic system" of business and free markets was "under broad attack" by "Communists, New Leftists and other revolutionaries who would destroy the entire system, both political and economic." Powell argued that those engaged in this attack come from "the college campus, the pulpit, the media, the intellectual and literary journals, the arts and sciences, and from politicians."

    According to the Powell memo, the key to solving this problem was to get business people to "confront this problem as a primary responsibility of corporate management" by building organizations that will use "careful long-range planning and implementation, in consistency of action over an indefinite period of years, in the scale of financing only available in joint effort, and in the political power available only through united action and national organizations." It helped immeasurably, Powell noted, that the boards of trustees of universities "overwhelmingly are composed of men and women who are leaders in the system," and that most of the media "are owned and theoretically controlled by corporations which depend upon profits, and the free enterprise system to survive."

    Powell wrote that these organizations should employ a "faculty of scholars" to publish in journals, write "books, paperbacks and pamphlets," with speakers and a speaker's bureau, as well as develop organizations to evaluate textbooks, and engage in a "long range effort" to correct the purported imbalances in campus faculties. "The television networks should be monitored in the same way that textbooks should be kept under constant surveillance." Powell said that this effort must also target the judicial system.

    The "Four Sisters"

    In 1973, in response to the Powell memo, Joseph Coors and Christian-right leader Paul Weyrich founded the Heritage Foundation. Coors told Lee Edwards, historian of the Heritage Foundation, that the Powell memo persuaded him that American business was "ignoring a crisis." In response, Coors decided to help provide the seed funding for the creation of what was to become the Heritage Foundation, giving $250,000.(1)

    Subsequently, the Olin Foundation, under the direction of its president, former Treasury Secretary William Simon (author of the influential 1979 book A Time for Truth), began funding similar organizations in concert with "the Four Sisters"--Richard Mellon Scaife's various foundations, the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, the Olin Foundation and the Smith Richardson Foundation--along with Coors's foundations, foundations associated with the Koch oil family, and a group of large corporations. (In this article, I will refer to this group of funders as the "Four Sisters Funding Group" or FSFG.)

    Following Powell's long-term plan to "build a movement," FSFG has funded and built a network of think tanks, advocacy organizations, and expanded into media, lobbying, and other areas. The work was slow but effective. As Christopher DeMuth, president of the American Enterprise Institute, told a group of conservative business people, "things take time. It takes at least 10 years for a radical new idea to emerge from obscurity."

    Creating "Conventional Wisdom"

    Now, after 30 years of effort, this core FSFG has built a comprehensive ideological infrastructure. There are now over 500 organizations, with the Heritage Foundation at the hub, all funded by this core group. David Callahan's 1999 study, $1 Billion for Ideas: Conservative Think Tanks in the 1990s, found that just the top 20 of the organizations spent over $1 billion on this ideological effort in the 1990s.

    The right-wing movement's messages are orchestrated and amplified to sound like a mass "movement" consisting of many "voices." Using "messaging"--communication techniques from the fields of marketing, public relations, and corporate image-management--the movement appeals to people's deeper feelings and values. Messages are repeated until they become "conventional wisdom." Examples include lines like "Social Security is going broke" and "public schools are failing." Both statements are questionable, yet both have been firmly embedded in the "public mind" by purposeful repetition through multiple channels. This orchestration has been referred to as a "Mighty Wurlitzer, " a CIA term that refers to propaganda that is repeated over and over again in numerous places until the public believes what it's hearing must be true.

    As a study by the People for the American Way, has put it: "The result of this comprehensive and yet largely invisible funding strategy is an extraordinary amplification of the far right's views on a range of issues. The various funding recipients do not march in ideological lock-step, but they do promote many of the same issues to their respective audiences. They have thus been able to keep alive in the public debate a variety of policy ideas long ago discredited or discarded by the mainstream. That, in turn, has been of enormous value in the right's ongoing effort to reshape American society. The success of the right-wing efforts are seen at every level of government, as a vast armada of foundation-funded right-wing organizations has both fed and capitalized on the current swing to the right in Congress and in the state legislatures."

    The Money Comes With Strings

    The FSFG money comes with ideological strings attached. Their think tanks are not independent; their organizations must espouse their ideology. "Cato, for example," as Gregg Easterbrook pointed out in an article in the Atlantic in 1986, "flatly states that it will not release any study that calls for a government program. The institute's president, Edward Crane, says that he receives one or two commissioned reports each year that are 'inconsistent,' and he does not publish them. The analyst Jonathan Stein lost his job at [the Center For Strategic & International Studies] CSIS several months after he published a book highly critical of Star Wars, the study of which is worth millions to think tanks that toe the line. (CSIS denies there was any connection.) "

    The core group that controls this movement is now attacking even Republicans who would previously have been considered "conservatives" for inadequate ideological purity. Members of the moderate wing of the Republican Party are derided by the radical right as nothing more than RINO's -- Republicans In Name Only. The FSFG is funding efforts to drive these moderates out of office and out of the party.(2)

    The Movement is Coordinated

    Currently the core of the "conservative movement" meets weekly with representatives of the FSFG. As Eric Alterman has revealed:

    Their weekly agenda was hammered out every Wednesday at a meeting chaired by Grover Norquist, a rightwing Leninist who believes in an ever-shifting tactical alliance.… Among those who attend the invitation-only meetings are spokespeople and representatives of NRA, the Christian Coalition, the Heritage Foundation; corporate lobbyists, the top people from the Republican party and the Congressional Republican leadership, and chief White House aides. Trusted rightwing journalists and editors also attend, though the meetings are off the record.

    While the ostensible purpose of the meeting is to share information and coordinate strategy, they also give Norquist the opportunity to act as an ideological enforcer. When one member of the Bush administration worried to a New York Times reporter that the administration's plan to repeal the estate tax would cripple charitable giving, he was publicly warned by Norquist that this was "the first betrayal of Bush", and was gone not long afterward. When a conservative pundit named Laura Ingraham criticised a fellow conservative in the House of Representatives for overzealousness, she was immediately informed by Norquist to decide "whether to be with us or against us". She was no longer welcome at the meetings.

    David Brock, in his book Blinded By the Right, described from inside this "movement" how different parts of the right-wing web and their funders interacted during the attempt to remove President Clinton from office. Brock writes that funding was supplied by Richard Mellon Scaife, Federalist Society (funded by Scaife) lawyers and judges working behind the scenes assisting Special Prosecutor Ken Starr and supplying information to (Scaife-funded) American Spectator magazine.

    A Case Study

    Often it is possible to discern how the timing of a "Mighty Wurlitzer" chorus relates to a planned conservative policy initiative. A recent example is the flurry of articles that hit the press starting in late November, originating from the Heritage Foundation, Americans for Tax Reform and the Tax Foundation, which claimed that the poor do not pay enough income taxes. The Wall Street Journal even referred to the poor as "lucky duckies." The paper did not mention that poor people do pay Social Security taxes. The publicity appears to have been timed to the release of the president's latest tax-cutting program.(3)


    The Effect on Society

    The core right-wing web of organizations funded by the FSFG has increasingly been able to set the public agenda, shifting national and local politics consistently to the right and away from the mainstream public interest. As a result, right-wing ideological premises and arguments dominate public-issue debate, with big money using this communications infrastructure to drown out other voices, virtually creating a one-dollar-one-vote society. "As one investigative journalist stated years ago in a pioneering investigation of the conservative philanthropy of Richard Scaife," wrote Sally Covington in a 1997 study, "layer upon layer of seminars, studies, conferences, and interviews [can] do much to push along if not create, the issues, which then become the national agenda of debate.... By multiplying the authorities to whom the media are prepared to give a friendly hearing, [conservative donations] have helped to create an illusion of diversity where none exists. The result could be an increasing number of one-sided debates in which the challengers are far outnumbered, if indeed they are heard from at all."

    The Right's Attack on Academia

    So how does all this relate to the attack on academic freedom which Foner and Gilmore complained about?

    It turns out that many of the most important attacks are part of a campaign organized by conservative foundations, as a study by report by the National Committee on Responsive Philanthropy (NCRP) found. In a section entitled, "Targeting the Academy" the report discusses right-wing attacks on academia, including "political correctness" campaigns, efforts to use alumni contributions to advance a conservative agenda, efforts to take over or de-fund the National Endowment for the Humanities and to de-fund the National Endowment for the Arts. These attacks follow the pattern outlined in the Powell memo -- attack the patriotism of liberals and attempt to convince trustees of colleges and universities to remove them, replacing them with ideological "conservatives."(4)

    The FSFG supports organizations like Accuracy in Academia, the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, the National Association of Scholars, the Madison Center for Educational Affairs (their "Collegiate Network" links over 70 student newspapers), the Institute for Educational Affairs and others. These organizations work to transform academia toward the right's ideological agenda.

    Why Do They Hate America?

    Daniel Pipes has accused scholars like Foner and Gilmore of hating America. His attacks follow the plan laid out in the Powell memo and in William Simons's book, A Time For Truth. Like Powell and Simon, Pipes accuses liberal faculty of anti-American bias and wants trustees to remove or silence them. "Why do they hate America"? Because, the phrase implies, they are like the terrorists, who also hate America. A search on Google for the term "they hate America" turns up over a million uses. So what Foner and Gilmore encountered is a well-funded campaign to pursue an ideological agenda.

    Conclusion

    By looking at the backgrounds of the conservative sources cited in Foner and Gilmore's article on freedom of speech on campus, we have discovered another story. What Foner and Gillmore took to be a number of voices signifying, in their words, "a broader trend among conservative commentators, who since September 11 have increasingly equated criticism of the Bush administration with lack of patriotism," is really only the tip of an iceberg of organizations, funded by a core group coordinating a right-wing agenda to put a chill on more than just academic speech. Academics should be on guard because the activities of these organizations follow a pattern designed to mislead the casual reviewer.

    1.See Jerry Landray, From The Powell Manifesto: How A Prominent Lawyer's Attack Memo Changed America.

    2. See http://www.commonwealinstitute.org/information.html#moderates.

    3. See:

    Heritage Foundation, May 8, 2001 http://www.heritage.org/Research/Po...=/commonspot/security/getfile.cfm&PageID=4327
    Americans for Tax Reform, May 7, 2002 http://www.atr.org/caucus/article050702.html
    Tax Foundation, November, 2002 http://www.taxfoundation.org/prtopincome.html

    The Wurlitzer:
    Nov. 20, 2002 http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110002937
    Nov. 26, 2002 http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...ode=&contentId=A39211-2002Nov25&notFound=true
    Nov. 26, 2002 http://slate.msn.com/id/2074666/
    Dec. 3, 2002 http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20021203-415124.htm
    Dec. 4, 2002 http://www.naplesnews.com/02/12/perspective/d856951a.htm
    Dec. 10, 2002 http://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/taxnotes30th_anniversaryspeech_dec10_2002.pdf
    Dec. 15, 2002 http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...ode=&contentId=A59577-2002Dec15&notFound=true
    Dec. 16, 2002 http://slate.msn.com/id/2075483/
    Dec. 21, 2002 http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/12/21/duckies/
    Jan. 7, 2003 White House proposes tax changes: http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/kd3739.htm
    Jan. 9, 2003 http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/01/09/ED210726.DTL
    Jan. 14, 2003 http://slate.msn.com/id/2076725/
    Jan. 16, 2002 http://slate.msn.com/id/2077089/
    Jan. 20, 2003 http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002938
    Jan. 20, 2003 http://slate.msn.com/id/2077201/

    4. See: People for the American Way's report, Buying a Movement, including a case study of the Yale Endowment and a case study of the right-wing movement's efforts to influence university undergraduates.
     
  2. Isabel

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    Trust me, liberals aren't about to lose their voice in academia anytime soon. All the study was doing was making a list of names of those who had used their free speech in this way. Knowing academia, they're not going to lose their jobs or even fall into disfavor. There is no witch hunt. To think critically about your country and its policies is good; however, there are a lot of knee-jerk reactions going around ("oh, the USA has messed up again. The rest of the world hates us. We need to worry about the human rights of the terrorists, before our own if need be"). Many of these reactions aren't backed up by logic. I wonder how much of it is just people jumping on the liberal "the establishment must be bad" bandwagon.

    What's hard to find in academia is a conservative voice. People are scared to speak out and find it safer to keep silent. It <i>should</i> be within the bounds of academic freedom to voice a dissenting opinion (yes, even one that dissents from the majority of professors at your institution). However, we have jobs to keep, family members to support, and we need to get tenure. Just like anyone else not wanting to "p!ss off the boss", we just stay quiet and try to stay out of political activities and discussions. You might can say we're "in the closet" (yes, like certain other groups who are in the minority... but who are more sympathized with).

    I didn't think it would be like this among science professors (well, there's always the evolution debate on the biology/physics side, but other than that...). I thought we were mainly concerned with getting work done and finding better ways to teach useful things like chemical reactions. However, for some reason everyone at my school leans left. (at least, everyone who says anything about it) There are academics in my family and circle of friends who are on the conservative side, so I always thought it could be done. But some of them face an uphill battle, especially if they're in the liberal arts fields. Hopefully, my academic experience will show that there's room for plenty of healthy discussion, which will include some differences of opinion. Just afraid I can't count on it.
     
  3. B-Bob

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    Isabel,
    It is completely lame if you feel like you can't express conservative views on your campus. There's lots of healthy debates on mine; however, like yours, I'll admit that we have more liberal voices than conservative ones.

    Now, would you oppose it if a bunch of liberal academics started creating a list of "professors who actually have the gall to support Bush," and published this list all over the nation's campuses, if they put it on the web? I would oppose this completely.

    So now, move off of campuses. While many Americans express unease about the administration's foreign policy, there aren't that many people (percentage wise) who will really stand up and set themselves as firmly opposed to it, who will articulate reasons they feel the way they do. Even if you want to take a group of these people and label them "knee jerk," do you think a list should be compiled of them? This too I oppose with all my being. NO good can come of such a list, even if it's titled "whiny knee-jerk liberals who should shut up." Mrs. Cheney herself suggested compiling such a list after 9/11, both on and off campuses, so it is not at all looney to call the spector of this yer-with-us-er-against-us a witch hunt in the making. If we have a few more nasty attacks within our nation, and I assume we will, sadly,* then such lists will definitely get compiled by people in power, (if they haven't been compiled already). Like the McCarthy era, fear is the source of incredibly odd behavior, and we as a nation are afraid.

    * Am I on a list even now for stating that? For some of the emails that I've sent? For attending rallies? I wouldn't be shocked.
     
  4. Isabel

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    B-Bob... we might have more in common than you might think. While I don't think it's very nice to publish either list you speak of, it's within their freedom of speech to do so. Hopefully no one will go around using the lists to make snap judgements or hurt someone's career. I mean, rational or not, I'm always afraid I'll get onto a list of "academics who have voted Republican" and then my career will be down the tubes... hopefully not. However, with the economy the way it is, some of us worry about our jobs. Others worry about terror attacks.

    Silly '90's music break. <i>"I'm paranoid. I'm paranoid. Everybody's coming to get me. Just say you never met me. I'm running underground with the moles... digging holes..."</i>
     
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    <i>.......Grover Norquist, a rightwing Leninist.....</i>

    What is a rightwing Leninist?
     
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    Well that explains everything, now doesn't it! Damn Bill Clinton...he's everywhere!!!:D
     
  7. rimbaud

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    I hope you don't fully believe this. Thee are plenty of conservative voices and, in my experience, no one has ever been "afraid to speak out." Why would they be? I can go down a list of "big" names who have published and can know which are the leftist and which are the right (obviously, if I am familiar with their research).

    I, like B-Bob, will agree that there are generally more left, but there is no rational need for right-wing academics to fear and, moreso, I have experienced no such thing.

    These articles do point out something that bothers me and that is the increased invovlement of corporate power. Not really for prodcing such lists, as right now that is minimal. The big problem is schools facing budget crises looking to the corporate world for support and sponsorship which then brings all sorts of strings attached. I think that can severely threaten academic integrity, if allowed to go too far.
     
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    What is a rightwing Leninist?

    Let me take a stab at if for you. A Leninist's political beliefs are rigid and have the rigidity of an unbending religious doctrine. A leftwing Leninist type believes with total certainty that they have scientific proof for their political positions. No private property should be allowed. A Leninist believes that he cannot help but be right due to the scientific nature of his Marxist philosophy, "historical inevitability". Since he is totally right and his opponents are wrong it leads to ruthless tactics and no tolerance for democracy wherein someone might disagree with him and hence the truth.

    Similarly many right wingers like Norquist believe that through applying mathematical formulas they have economic theories that are equal in certainty to the law of gravity. They of course ignore the reality of many of their assumptions, perfect info of buyers and sellers, no cost of market entry, sufficent numbers of buyers and sellers, that those with politcal influence will not use it etc. With their assumptions they then apply their math.

    Norquist is famous for devoting his entire life to right wing causes, particularly to the abolition of virtually all taxes. He accepts no compromise to his beliefs and a Republican who isn't strong on tax reduction has no interest for him. His political tactics are famed for ruthlessness and total minded devotion to the cause.
     
  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    conservative: favoring traditonal values, tending to oppose change

    liberal: not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogams

    Given these two Webster dictionary definitions, it always surprises me that people are annoyed by college professors tending to be more liberal than conservative. Considering that colleges are places of higher learning and social progression, wouldn't you expect them to be liberal.

    If you want conservative, go to church.
     
  10. MadMax

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    what a huge simplification of those words as they apply to politics.

    did you know that the word conservative, as early as the 1950's, actually meant those favoring smaller government?

    opposing change...so if conservatives want to overhaul welfare and pass welfare reform, are they conservatives or liberals? if liberals dig in their heels and say they will not allow for the privitazation of social security, are they actually acting as conservatives?

    the fact is, both sides of the political fence have sacred cows they don't want disturbed.
     
  11. RocketMan Tex

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    It's time to do to these cows the same thing that was done in the final scene of "Apocalypse Now".
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I'm talking about acedemics in general. Schools are going to be more liberal and progressive.

    As far as the simplification of words, conservatives are the ones so proud of that word and so quick to label someone a liberal.
     
  13. MadMax

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    ready to scrap social security?
     
  14. MadMax

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    but no one here is talking about academics in general...they're talking about the political leanings of professors...

    i'm not saying that some conservatives don't use the same simplified labels you're using here...
     
  15. pgabriel

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    Considering that these guys or ladies give their lives to their acedemic fields of study, you should expect their political leanings to reflect their livelihoods.

    A biology professor, as discussed in another previous thread, is obiviously going to be more of an evolutionist than a creationist.
     
  16. MadMax

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    as pointed out in various articles and citations in that thread, not necessarily so. i go to church with more than a few scientists...one of which has a background in biology.
     
  17. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Madmax, going to church does not equal an abandonment of the theory of evolution! :) I hope not. At any rate, let's all keep the evolution/creation stuff in that thread.
     
  18. rimrocker

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    I don't care what MadMax and others think about evolution. I'm curious what folks think about the concentration of money and the conservative agenda. Are you worried about the health of the 4th estate? Does the idea of RINOs and ideological purity bother you? Does it bother you that a core group of largely unelected folks are driving the conservative agenda?

    Maybe I'm naive, but I'd like to think if this kind of operation was happening on the left, I'd be resitant... especially the seeming obsession with purity. The liberals I grew up with understood that when you start enforcing purity and pushing too far, it becomes dangerous... none of us want to see a dictatorship over the realm of ideas. Maybe the Gen X and Y liberals don't see that as clearly, but then it looks to me as if some on the right are actually advocating such approaches.
     
  19. haven

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    Wow, that was long, but interesting. I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories... but that was fairly persuasive as they go.

    Not that I believe there's anything particularly sinister about it. Just some extremely wealthy people who want their way... and I'm certain liberals would be doing the same thing, except for the fact that liberal movements tend to not be cohesive.

    That's always the advantage of the right wing: they form a "core" of social values. Leftists tend to be more progressive, and there's seldom very much agreement upon which way one should be progressive. Otherwise, by definition, the position wouldn't be progressive but rather main-stream.

    The left consists of feminists, marxists, atheists, believers in big government, pacifists, and the ACLU types... just to name a few of the groups that can't get along and often have little in common besides a distaste for the classical hierarchy.

    ON the other hand, the Right is centered around a religious conformity that curiously also nearly universally supports the free market (not saying the two contradict, but it is interesting the near universal link, when there's nothing intrinsic in religion that dictates one must support a free market economy). There are the "I don't want big taxes but I don't like the religious right" faction, but they're rather minimalized in that they don't have anywhere else to turn.

    So, no, this isn't surprising. The Right is always more organized, because it's predisposed to be that way.
     
  20. MadMax

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    you're very right...i jumped quickly and responded in knee-jerk fashion...my bad
     

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