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[ABC] Senator Scott Brown Won't Pursue Alleged Abusers

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by OrangeRowdy95, Feb 20, 2011.

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  1. OrangeRowdy95

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    Not sure if this should go here or the D&D.

    I'm very interested in this story and would like to hear your thoughts on Brown coming out, sharing his story, but not taking legal action. Obviously, this was more than 40 years ago, and the statute has expired.

    I come from the same camp as one of the posters below the article:

    If you heard your child was molested 10 years ago, and statute hasn't expired, would you pursue legal action?

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2011/02/scott-brown-wont-pursue-alleged-abuser-.html

     
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  2. KingCheetah

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    He's going to have to reveal who it was - people are going to investigate on their own and figure it out anyway.
     
  3. Fatty FatBastard

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    Methinks he made it up.
     
  4. rcoleman15

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    The district attorney hit the nail on the head with this one. This unfortunately is not an uncommon scenario that plays out for a lot of trauma victims. I've seen it myself in many of the cases I have investigated over the years that revealed secondary crimes aside from the primary homicide that I was investigating.

    It isn't specifically related to child molestation either as I have seen this reaction in victims that have suffered physical and emotional trauma from other crimes as well.

    I would say the most prevalent scenario that you see of this tends to be with rape victims who are women that go on to try to help other women who have been raped. There are a lot of women who have never brought charges against their attackers that do this.

    Plain fact of the matter is that bringing charges means you are going to physically bring your violator back into your life and this process can be just as damaging and violating for some victims as the initial attack was. Thus they retreat from it and more times than not will deal with the stress and trauma by talking about it and trying to help others prevent it from happening to them.

    Again this is not new and happens a lot. It is not a "black and white" subject and definitely falls into the "shades of grey" area especially since you are dealing with victims who have gone through a severe physical, emotional, and psychological life altering trauma.
     
  5. OrangeRowdy95

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    Like some people said, if this "molester" is on the loose, as a social humanitarian, legal advocate, law enforcer, or plain human being, do you just let the perpetrator walk free?
     
  6. OrangeRowdy95

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    And to follow up, what if you were the father of a girl who was molested? According to you, the girl wouldn't want confront the abuser or take action. But as a father, would you?
     
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    For a victim who is one of your examples sometimes the answer is yes. Sometimes they just can't experience it in the flash again.

    Me personally as a former cop I would pursue but I am not a victim of this. When you are a victim of this rationality more times will cease to exist and you should not always expect a victim to react rationally, morally and ethically especially if you are an investigator. Again you have ventured into a "shades of grey" what you think is right or wrong generally isn't going to be taken into account by a person that has been damaged in this way.

    Again this is something you can not look at with a rational lens because in certain cases more times than not a former victim will always react irrationally to it after their experience.

    I have 6 daughters. Would I take action? Yes if legal and on my own (ie putting another investigator onto it or making the appropriate authorities/jurisdictions aware) but I am not going to force any of them (my daughters) to pursue anymore than they can or want to.

    I will not damage them to satisfy my own need for wrath and justice. As I said before to pursue charges can be just as damaging as the act for the victim. I have personally seen the aftermath to many times to just force ahead and force or manipulate a victim into doing the right thing when they clearly can't. The results always tend to be catastrophically bad for the victims in the end.
     
  8. OrangeRowdy95

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    Thanks for the answers. You're obviously more experienced and informed on this topic.

    I'm just trying to grasp how a father should handle something like this if it happened to their daughter. Should you think it happened to other children in your family as well? What if the perpetrator is in the extended family, as is often the case. Should you tell other family members?
     
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    I just saw the 60 Minutes story on Scott Brown. Very interesting. Regarding the OP questions while the victim not wanting to go through the experience again is important we still need to consider that the perpetrator likely has abused others and for the sake of the other victims and possible future victims something should be done. Unfortunately because of the fear and embarrassment of victims many abusers go on abusing without consequence.
     
  10. OrangeRowdy95

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    Yes that was a great piece, but it could have had a better ending.

    Lots of people on message boards and Twitter are saying they don't believe a single word about Brown's childhood. I, on the other hand, believe it all.

    Here's why:
    - Brown is unemotional about the past
    - Brown is stoical when voting in Senate on bills that helped him and his family
    - Brown kept many things to himself
    - Brown posed for Cosmo
    - Trouble ensued after the abuse (he stole things)
    - He said he wanted to buy his old house and burn it down

    I'm no psychiatrist or therapist, but I have seen enough to the point where I know these are signs of a a survivor.
     
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    What a weird thing to think.
     
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    You're a homicide cop? What a meaningful and fascinating profession. I'm sure you bring an interesting perspective to a number of topics. I will read your posts with extra interest.
     
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    I feel that way towards anyone who makes an outrageous statement and doesn't back it up. How many times have we seen washed up celebrities claim molestation to garner book sales?

    If he's man enough to bring it up, be man enough to prosecute.
     
  15. Batman Jones

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    Considering what is believed about child molestation statistics, it isn't an outrageous claim. And he's not a washed up celebrity; he's a popular Republican senator.

    I'll defer to rcoleman15's comments above as to your final (kind of astoundingly insensitive) point.
     
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    I was. I am retired now. Spent over twenty years of a three decade career in homicide before retiring. Now I am just the old guy with the stories with maybe a little bit of wisdom who enjoyes fishing and going to the movies to much and spending as much time with my family as god will allow.
     
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    Weird, I honestly can't think of a single celebrity claim molestation to garner book sales. Am I missing any obvious ones?
     
  18. Rocketman95

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    so, you got too old for that ****? :)

    very cool, bet you have some amazing stories.
     
  19. rrj_gamz

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    nice...

    as an aside, I saw the interview last night...i thought the same thing, why mention it in the book if you weren't going to settle anything or at least, do your civic duty and make sure he doensnt do it again...

    he did say the camp counselor didnt' consemate but still...
     
  20. dylan

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    Bump one time to see if FFB can name a single washed up celebrity who has claimed molestation to garner book sales.
     

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