ABC News mea culpa: the truth about the Dean scream

Said it then, and will say it now: Dean losing the primary was a big deal. The speech wasn't.

 

Oh, I agree. And what's more, in this perception is reality world we live, the sppech will probably have almost as much, if not more of an effect. Sadly.

Although (sorry Bat) I am glad that Dean will likely not be the man going up against Bush, that is in itself a concession to the perception is reality game of politics, and Dean is more vulnerable than others in that regard, for being portrayed as a loose cannon, etc. As I said on the night of the infamous speech, I feel that Dean is an honest, intelligent, committed man who is at least in part paying the price for having gotten so popular so early.


( But I still think Clark is the best 'upiside' candidate, and Clark gaining momentum is still, I think, the Republican's biggest fear.)

 

Just thinking about the scream causes me to smile broadly. It's always good for a hearty belly-laugh.

So BJ, are you trying to blame the media for Dean's demise?

 

Sour grapes taste so bitter, while victory is SWEET AND DELICIOUS.

I ask a very simple question to the left-wing conspiracy theorists among us:

DID HOWARD DEAN SCREAM OR DID HE NOT SCREAM?

Did you hear the high pitch of that scream? My goodness, how can we elect someone whose balls have yet to drop?

YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAARRRRRHHHHHHHH

 

Dean is finished.. He's history..

Nobody cares about him anymore..

 

Batman,

c'mon. He screamed. It is what it is. It's just silly to blame the microphone.

Move on. It's Kerry's turn.

 

BTW, Batman...


You never responded to my last (clarified) question regarding Clark in the other thread...( I'll try and repeat)

If, as I'm hearing, Clark is substantially improving on the superficial aspects of politics, given his amazing credentials/abilities, and the fact that none of the others rival Reagan or Clinton for charisma to begin with, would you possibly get behind Clark in a more than Anyone Against Bush kind of way?

 

Wow! You could barely hear the scream. That's too much. If that had been played the way it was in the auditorium, this aspect of the Iowa loss would have had no wheels. I have to say I'm very surprised. I agree that it was still a hard loss for Dean, but the aftermath in New Hampshire could have been far different, with a very possible Dean win keeping him in the race.

Damn. I still don't think he can recover, because this will get nothing like the airplay the "howl" got, but still... damn.

 

Thanks for the video. That was really interesting -- I didn't know that the crowd couldn't hear him over the roar. I thought he was just going nuts. Guess I was wrong.

Of course, I couldn't care less even if he *had* screamed -- I admire a politician for showing passion and actually -- gasp! -- showing emotion.

The TV image and sound, though horribly distorted and out of context, were pretty funny, though.

 

I never really supported Dean. I always thought Karl Rove and Roger Ailes were shaping the direction of the debate by helping build up the Dean mythology.

And yet the media is always so lazy. If one outlet reports a story, the others often just pick up on it with no real investigating of their own. So I'm not surprised if "the scream" was overdone.

No news media source ever really came forward a few years ago to offer the real version of the "I invented the Internet" quote from Gore. They all just kinda tagged along. I think it was closer to "I voted to provide funds that helped create the Internet" or "that created the Internet" or something like that.

Still, perception is everything, and the media grabs on because everyone was just waiting for the paper tiger to burn. And if not, they were standing there with the kerosene and lighter.

Give me Kerry or Clark anyway.

 

I watched the video, and it means nothing to me. I already expected the crowd to be that loud, the first time I ever heard it. Makes no difference to me. He screamed. So what. I agree w/ GV76, that a scream by itself is not nec. bad; it depends on the candidate. Unfortunately for Dean, it was not good for him.

Don't support Kerry, I don't care. Waste your time/money on one of the other Democrats, or vote for Bush if you want. FWIW, I don't vote based on part affiliation either, else Bush would have my vote, and he absolutely won't. I think he's dangerous for our country, and it appears that the challanger, barring a major screw up, has been decided. That's important to me because as long as I found that candidate more desirable than Bush (pretty easy), I will provide him w/ my support ASAP. I'm just being realistic.

 

The thing is, we have a created a distorted perception of reality. When you take a direct feed from just the mic, and dropping the crowd noise etc., you are missing the whole picture. You are taking things out of context. This is a manipulation. It is like SNL TV Funhouse "Fun with Real Audio" but the real audio is funny enough that you don't have to animate it.

The moment I saw the video of the speech with the crowd noise last week I realzied that "the scream" really wasn't crazy as it sounded. It is unfortunate, but **** happens. At best we can learn not to put too much trust in any media. It is all a production anyway.

 

Good thing he didn't burp.

 

So what you're saying is, they were all screaming like idiots?

 

Exactly. Regardless of whether or not he could be heard over the crowd does not matter. He still let out that goofy scream. ABC News must really be on some sort of agenda to try to put that kind of spin on it.