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A victory for gun rights is all but confirmed!...

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  1. ROXRAN

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    In my last post concerning the validity and true effectiveness with the parameters of the gun ban of 94, I presented substantial points which debunk the merits of its existance...Sept. 13th will be a joyful day that brings back your expanded rights regarding the use and ownership of fine firearms...The article below is a BIG step towards the realization of this coming to fruition...



    Assault weapons bill not approved in time



    by Thomas Dennison
    Staff Writer


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    April 1, 2004
    For complete coverage of the 2004 legislative session, go to www.gazette.net/annapolis2004/.


    ANNAPOLIS -- With less than two weeks remaining in the General Assembly's legislative session, the lead sponsor of an assault weapons ban conceded Tuesday that the bill is dead.

    The House and Senate failed to approve the assault weapons bill by Monday's crucial "cross-over" date, prompting lawmakers and advocates on both sides of the issue to predict that the bill was headed for defeat. Bills approved after the "cross-over" date are assigned to the opposite chamber's Rules Committee, known around Annapolis as the place where controversial bills are sent to die.

    "Unfortunately, the bill is dead," said Del. Neil F. Quinter (D-Dist. 13) of Columbia, lead sponsor of the ban in the House. "It's very disappointing."

    Quinter said House Judiciary Committee Chairman Joseph F. Vallario Jr. (D-Dist. 27A) of Upper Marlboro, who is generally opposed to the assault weapons ban and new gun laws, kept the bill "in the drawer" and would not allow it to be voted on by the committee. Quinter, a member of the Judiciary Committee, said prospects for any action this year are slim.

    "It's unfortunate that good bills like this get stuck in the drawer," he said.

    Asked about the chances of the Judiciary Committee moving forward on the assault weapons ban, Vallario replied, "We don't deal with dead bills." He said a majority on the Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee oppose the bill and the House was not going to vote on the bill until something happened in the Senate.

    "We have too many live bills to worry about," Vallario said. "We don't need to deal with the dead ones."

    Sen. Robert J. Garagiola (D-Dist. 15) of Germantown and Quinter sponsored the legislation in response to the 2002 sniper attacks, arguing that the ban is strongly supported by a majority of Marylanders and is a commonsense safety measure. The original bill would have expanded the number of guns now banned under state law, but the lawmakers agreed to scale it back to extend the federal ban on assault weapons, which is set to expire in September.

    Opponents -- namely, the National Rifle Association and Republican lawmakers -- said the bill would not prevent criminals from using assault weapons. Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. (R) so strongly opposed the measure that he convinced Sen. John A. Giannetti Jr. (D-Dist. 21) of Laurel, the swing vote in the Judicial Proceedings Committee, to declare his opposition.

    Del. Carmen Amedori (R-Dist. 5A) of Westminster, a strong guns rights advocate, claimed victory.

    "The last plane has left the airport and the bill wasn't on it," she said.
     
  2. Oski2005

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    Sweet, those buck's won't stand a chance when I legally get my hands on an M-60.
     
  3. bamaslammer

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    Huzzah! I'm glad to see that this politically motivated, stinker of a law that simply banned weapons for a look rather than a mechanism is gone forever.
     
  4. KingCheetah

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    "Viktery is Awrs..." :p
     
  5. nyquil82

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    Guns and SUVS: Proven to make your penis feel larger
     
  6. mrpaige

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    Is that why women buy so many SUVs?
     
  7. SWTsig

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    penis envy.

    you should know that.
     
  8. bamaslammer

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    I see those little five-foot women driving Navigators and Sequoias and I just laugh. I'm surprised many of them can reach the pedals! But seriously, I think that the SUV fad will go away soon as they become too common and people get tired of paying 40 bucks a fillup and more. Just like minivans, their time will come.
    Funny thing is that the car-based utes (tall station wagons) are now the hottest thing. Did you guys see the new one from Chevy, the Equinox? It doesn't look bad.
     
  9. glynch

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    It helps the GNP. The burials spur the mortuary industry. Even better, all the disabled people who needs hundreds of thousands of dollars of emergency room medicine and months if not years of physical therapy and operations and artificial limbs and canes etc.

    Also there are a few workers who make the weapons on the semi-automated assembly lines. Think of the salespersons and their famiies. Don't forget the stock holders either.

    A great day for America and a great day for the economy.
     
  10. ROXRAN

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    This article further expands on the issue of inconsequential cosmetic indifferance, and ill-political motivation about the ban...


    Weapons ban purely cosmetic
    By Stephen Cathers

    The issue: extending the 10-year-old ban on assault weapons by attaching it as an amendment to a bill protecting gun manufacturers from frivolous lawsuits. Kerry and others framed it as a ban on dangerous military-style weapons that only criminals would use. California Sen. Dianne Feinstein called it an issue "as to whether the American people want AK47s, street sweepers and Uzis sold once again." With this kind of rhetoric, it's easy to misunderstand what an assault weapon actually is.

    Ban proponents and the media certainly won't give people a straight definition of what they mean by assault weapons. Judging by the AK47 and Uzi references, it's easy to think that machine guns are being banned.

    Many news reports fail to even mention that the guns in question are semiautomatic, not automatic. One gets the impression that the NRA is fighting for the right to go hunting with machine guns. Even "The Simpsons" lampooned the ban's opponents, with Lenny (speaking at an NRA meeting) claiming that assault weapons are "manufactured for a reason: to take out today's modern super animals."

    Given these impressions, it's interesting to find out what's actually banned.

    The law classifies assault weapons as "a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a bayonet mount; (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and (v) a grenade launcher." Several types of pistols and shotguns are also banned, along with magazines with more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

    Notice that automatic weapons are not covered, because they've been strictly regulated by the federal government since 1934. Basically, the assault weapons ban bans guns that look scary. Assault weapons are actually only semiautomatic pistols, rifles and shotguns that are functionally exactly the same as other semiautomatics, which fire one shot per pull of the trigger.

    The guns shoot the same type of ammunition with the same power as traditional guns. For instance, the banned TEC 9 uses 9mm ammo, which is also used in many legal pistols, such as the Glock 17. Gun-control advocates have decried manufacturers for "violating the spirit of the law" by making "slight cosmetic changes" to guns in order to escape the ban.

    What makes this claim so ironic is that the ban was always based on cosmetic features. These cosmetic features make no functional difference. Indeed, it's hard to understand why some of them were included at all.

    Remember the last crime committed with a bayonet? Neither do I.

    You might think that a flash suppressor hides where a shot comes from, but it actually only hides the temporarily blinding flash from the person firing the gun.
    Gun-control advocates claim that features such as folding stocks and pistol grips make it easier to spray bullets indiscriminately, causing greater casualties and damage. Of course, assault weapons fire no faster than any other semiautomatic weapons. Nor does the evidence bear out claims that assault weapons lead to increased damage in crimes. During the Clinton administration, the Justice Department study "Impacts of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban: 1994-1996" found that "the ban did not produce declines in the average number of victims per incident of gun murder or gun murder victims with multiple wounds."

    Interestingly, ban proponents are quite short on evidence that the ban has fulfilled its ostensible purpose: reducing crime. While Sen. Feinstein trumpets the statistic that assault weapons now represent 1.22 percent of all recovered crime guns (down from 3.57 percent in 1995), she gives no evidence that this has actually led to a decrease in crime. Tom Diaz, of the pro-gun-control Violence Policy Center, even said, "If the existing assault weapons ban expires, I personally do not believe it will make one whit of difference one way or another ... reducing death and injury." As long as the ban has failed to reduce crime, it seems rather odd to rejoice that the look of the weapons used for crimes has changed.

    Perhaps the most powerful claim made by ban proponents is that one of five cops killed between 1998 and 2001 fell victim to an assault weapon. Yet the VPC, which came up with this statistic, inflates these numbers by neglecting to use the definition of assault weapon defined in federal law. Nor does it show that these murders were because of any special properties of assault weapons.

    For instance, according to its Web site, one of the murders involved a policeman who was shot multiple times from behind. Another involved a policeman ambushed by a subject who was hiding behind a door. You have to wonder what difference it would have made if the murderers had used a more traditional gun.

    So if assault weapons are no more dangerous than other legal guns, why do gun control groups make such a fuss about them? Because, with the collaboration of a media that overwhelmingly favors gun control, they're able to play on public confusion over what assault weapons really are. Indeed, in 1988, the VPC's Josh Sugarmann wrote, "The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semiautomatic assault weapons - anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun - can only increase that chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons."

    One might wonder why citizens should care about merely cosmetic bans that do little to actual gun effectiveness. But the government ought to have a compelling reason before it restricts the freedoms of anyone. The burden of proof ought not be on those defending the constitutional right to bear arms but rather on those seeking to abridge it. Arbitrary bans erode respect for Americans' fundamental rights. As Jacob Sullum wrote in the magazine Reason, "The 'assault weapon' ban sets a dangerous precedent precisely because the justification for it is so weak. It suggests that you don't need a good reason to limit the right to keep and bear arms, and it invites further restrictions down the road. As far as the gun banners are concerned, that is the whole point."

    The Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer, who's pro-gun control, admitted that the ban's "only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation." The ban erodes respect for the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

    The assault ban, while little more than symbolic, does have political effects. It allows gun control advocates to portray themselves as favoring reasonable restrictions while condemning the NRA and others who fight arbitrary restrictions as "gun nuts" who reject even "moderate, rational" measures.

    The VPC study "Assault Weapons & Accessories in America" claimed the ban would "damage America's gun lobby, but strengthen the handgun restriction lobby." Moreover, it moves the debate away from the Second Amendment and its protection of the right to keep and bear arms.

    If gun-control supporters can create a debate where gun owners must justify the right to own a gun solely by its utility in hunting and target shooting, they'll have won the ideological war. The tyranny of complete gun confiscation won't be far behind.

    Ultimately, the bill which contained the renewal of the assault ban was voted down, and the ban will expire this September.(Good news!)

    Expect for Kerry and his allies to make an issue of this in the coming election. But politicians such as Kerry, who claim to believe in Second Amendment rights, ought to reject this cynical wedge issue and protect Americans' freedoms
     
  11. KingCheetah

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    To be honest i'm glad this victory has finally come through - i've had my eye on this duck hunting missile robot for a while now...

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    Anyone knows where can I get my hand on some nuclear weapons?
     
  13. Harrisment

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    An AK is only semi automatic? Alll this time I've thought they were fully automatic, because thats how they are when I'm playing Counter-Strike. I'm going to contact Valve and tell them this is BS.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    So instead of letting this toothless ban expire and pronouncing it a failure....why don't we put in a ban with some bite: no more semi automatic weapons for anybody.
     
  15. bamaslammer

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    No. Utterly ridiculous. The 2nd Amendment is expressly designed to allow people to protect themselves against criminals and an oppressive govt. How am I supposed to do that with a single shot rifle or a revolver? Only fully automatic weapons and equipment like RPGs, mortars and the like should be banned.
     
  16. SamFisher

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    We've had this argument before, but I don't think your fantasies of fighting off the ATF or defending your home from a squad of ninjas have a realistic enough chance of coming true anywhere but your own imagination to justify the fact that people can run around with AK 47's.

    Maybe one day you'll prove me wrong and mow down a squad of cyborgs trying to bust into your liquor cabinet, or singlehandedly prevent the suspension of habeas corpus by storming the white house situation room on two clips of ammo, but I'm not betting on it.
     
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    The only people hurt by your silly idea of a ban on semi-autos will be LAW-ABIDING gun enthusiaists like myself. Do you really think the Crips and Bloods will turn in their already auto Uzis and AKs because of a ban? I betcha do. :rolleyes: Just like you believe that the Iraq War is a creation by the Bush admin to enrich Halliburton.
     
  18. SamFisher

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    Wil they turn them in? No. Last time I checked they haven't turned in their crack either, but that's still illegal. That doesn't mean that choking off the supply wouldn't have any effect over time. And you can still defend your home from its imaginary attackers with your 12 gauge so I don't see how you're that hurt.

    As for your last irrelevant tangent, I have no idea what the hell that has to do with anything or even why you attributed it to me.
     
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    It won't have any affect! How can choking off the supply of LEGAL semi-autos affect their fully-auto weapons? Why is it any of your business whether or not people have semi-autos anyhow? If you want to let the govt. defend you, fine. But allow us that would like to defend ourselves the best possible weapons. Your reasoning has more holes than a sponge.
     

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