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A Truce between Yao-only and Steve-only fans... please?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by FranchiseBlade, Nov 3, 2003.

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  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Here's what's going on. I honestly think that many of the criticisms attached to Yao are pretty minor, but exaggerated, in order to try and balance out the out of balance attacks on Steve or whoever else the Yao-only fans blame Yao not being superman every night, and scoring every point.

    It's true that some people on the board have blamed Yao and Steve's teammates for not knocking down open shots when the pass was from Yao, and blamed Steve for their teammates missing when the pass was from Steve.

    With those kinds of attacks it was only a matter of time before we started seeing threads blaming little adjustments that Yao didn't make as the main reason we lost a game. I'm also not trying to say we can't criticize the flaws in either of our two star's games. But maybe it should be done with balance.

    Maybe for the posts 24 hours after tonights games we should let the other side steal each others thunder. The yao only fans will Praise Steve if we win, and point out Yao's weaknesses if we lose, and vice versa.

    I know it's just a pipe dream, and I live an idealistic Rockets fantasy land, but even toning down the rhetoric and being consistent in our criticism might help make for better threads.
     
  2. Just B

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    I don't think there are many Steve-only fans. There's ROCKETS fans who defend him, but there's no one who bashes everyone whose jersey doesn't read FRANCIS on the back.

    And the Yao-only fans aren't even gonna come out, because most of them are in some kind of "state of denial" about their Yao-only fans status. They know they are YO fans, but for some reason they won't admit it.

    Like I said in other threads, Francis is no doubt my favorite player, but I like Yao too. I see no reason to bash Yao just cause he's not my favorite. All that shows is that you're looking for someone else to blame because your favorite's not playing up to par.

    Maybe we could all form a truce though....against the one or two Cuttino-only fans!:p
     
  3. Texas Stoke

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    How about we lock you all in a room together so you can beat eachother to death so then there will be nothing but Houston Rocket fans left. :p
     
  4. J DIDDY

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    its time for a truce. enough is enough. Both are Houston Rockets
     
  5. SamFisher

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    I've got another idea, how about a Hyperbole moratorium?

    No threads with titles like "SO AND SO IS THE BEST/WORST EVER AND MUST BE TRADED/FIRED/DRAWN AND QUARTERED!!!!!!!!"

    At least wait till the first few games are done....
     
  6. Just B

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    Proof for those who don't believe it.....;)

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  7. annthuyn

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    please? i'm tired of hearing fans blaming one player for everything. it's a friggen team! they gotta work together to win, otherwise, they'll just go down the drain again.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    Just B, I agree with you, but I thought I'd use language that seemed a little more evenly. If I was going to call out Yao Only fans, I should at least pretend that those that argue against them have some sort of bias as well.

    I like both players as well. I don't even know which I like more. But there have been times when I pointed out minor mistakes by Yao that I wouldn't normally have pointed out in an effort to show certain fans that Yao is human and makes mistakes as well. It was a reaction to what I'd seen, and I guess I let it upset me because I like the team as a whole, and don't attach superhuman qualities to any of it's players. When I see that happen I find myself being too harsh on Yao as an effort to bring him back down to earth.
     
  9. Panda

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    A truce won't come when the Francis or guards only fans disguise themselves as the Rockets fans. Sorry, it's unfathomable for true Rockets fans to place the bulk of blame on the team's best player in a loss.

    Blame the whole team for a loss and place the bulk of the blame on the worst performers, not the best.

    It seems that the Mad Yao Disease has now a new counterpart, MAYD, the Mad At Yao Disease.
     
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    yao and sf get along very well on and off the court, why cant their fans ?
     
  11. red

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    truce...never...we shall fight till the death!

    what about chuck nevitt only fans...where do we fit in?
     
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    the solution is to trade steve. NO way around it. Steve and Ming have two completely different styles and I find it unfortunate that EVERYONE cant notice that and Im afraid it will take 1 maybe 2 more years in the lottery for fans to get it.

    The steve only fans and yao only fans,are both right in their own ways. Ming fans want Steve to be better,and Steve fans want Ming to be better. The solution is which side do you pick? You have to pick Mings side because its been proven in 4 years with Steve he isnt a winner. So trade him. And Cat. And moochie. And cato. And taylor. If the rockets would package those stars,and then teams would take our bad contracts of cato.,moochie,taylor,then the rockets would only have Ming,Jackson on the squad to build around and have enough cap to sign another complementary superstar that can mesh. Like a Brand or Rashard. Im just hoping that management sees the writing on the wall before Mings contract is up and he leaves.
     
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    There's no such thing as a Steve only fan, just Steve Defenders. Steve Defenders know how important Yao is while Ming only fans want to trade Francis away for crap.
     
  14. Panda

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    Here is my take. There is four categories of fans:

    1.Francis only fans.
    2. Francis defenders.
    3. Yao only fans.
    4. Yao defenders.

    Pick your poison.
     
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    There are few if any Francis only fans. How many people here would switch their allegiance to another team if Steve went elsewhere? Now if Yao moved on, well, let's just say "search" and "edit" would probably be coming back...
     
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    No Kidding,

    Fan wise, this is Yao's team. Even, economically, politically, etc... this is Yao's team. The sad part is that Steve still might not get this through his head for another year or so. Some players on the team ..Cough...Cough...Cat... certainly will never understand the great pressure that Rockets have from the league, all of China, even some Houston fans, to make Yao as marketable as possible and make him the center piece of this team.

    Nobody likes a player who isn't playing politically correct. So this is a reminder to both Cat and Steve fans...

    Yao probably brings in hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue/interest for the NBA as opposed to Cat and Steve...who combined probably bring in a few million at most. Of course I'm talking about in part the projected expansion of the NBA into Asia in the next decade or so. You think Steve or Cat have this kind of pull in the NBA? You think anyone cares about Cat's or Steve's appeals accept for a few handful of die hard fans? Even, Yao's greatest critics of the past don't say anything because Yao is now going to get the favorable calls meaning special treatment, which will help Yao excel in the NBA.
     
  17. pariah

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    I would think there is a happy medium whereby each group's members casts their hatred towards CAT. Two group's in unison, Good and Evil, casting their unified hatred towards CAT (he's a uniter, not a divider)....now that's the American Way.
     
  18. Panda

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    I agree to the extent that Yao only fans far outweighs Francis only fans, the existence of the Francis only fans, though, are examplified by singling Yao out to blame even when he's clearly the best player in a loss. What irks me is that the Francis only fans or Francis defenders have a tendency to quickly label the Yao defenders as Yao only fans, in order to dismiss their points. Also, People are quick to call out Francis haters but rarely do they call out Yao haters. Both side needs to adjust their attitude in order to coexist in a friendly way.
     
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    I don't think there are all that many Steve-only fans, but I sure as hell think there are a few anti-Yao Rockets fans.

    I don't think they really dislike Yao, in himself. But they do dislike that some rookie has come in, mostly displaced the established stars of Francis and Mobley, that his fans have come to sort of take over ccnet, that he gets more pub than the rest of the team put together, and that the most common media criticism of the Rockets is mocking the "stupid guards" for not getting the ball to their 7'5 center (sports center mockery, etc).

    I think there are many of those people.

    The real problem, imo, is that the Yao-only fans are about 75% right. While they tend to undervalue Francis... they might be right about Mobley. And I'd agree w/them that Yao is better than Francis - but that Steve doesn't realize it yet... and doesn't really play accordingly (he no plays as if Yao is 1b, and he's 1a... improvement, but not good enough... Steve is really #2, properly, and Yao #1).
     
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    TRUCE. NO MORE DISCUSSIONS ON THIS TOPIC.... :D
     
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