Would you do this Deal with Dallas? Houston trades: SF Glen Rice (9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.7 minutes) C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.1 minutes) PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 16.8 minutes) Houston receives: C Raef LaFrentz (9.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 23.4 minutes) SF Chris Mills (4.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.5 minutes) SF Eduardo Najera (6.7 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 23.0 minutes) PG Jiri Welsch (1.6 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 6.3 minutes) Change in team outlook: +4.6 ppg, +2.4 rpg, and -0.2 apg. Dallas trades: C Raef LaFrentz (9.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 23.4 minutes) SF Chris Mills (4.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.5 minutes) SF Eduardo Najera (6.7 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 23.0 minutes) PG Jiri Welsch (1.6 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 6.3 minutes) Dallas receives: SF Glen Rice (9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 62 games) C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 73 games) PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 82 games) Change in team outlook: -4.6 ppg, -2.4 rpg, and +0.2 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED We would still be getting some cap help with Mills contract at the end of the year. Lafrentz can play the center and pforward spot. A small upgrade over Cato. Najera is JVG's Type of player . He gives you alot of intangables. Welch can play the point an shooting guard position. Dallas makes this move to clear there excess of players on their roster.
It's tempting, but Raef LaFrentz just sucks too much. He doesn't come close to bringing to the table what we los in Cato. If you're going to get rid of Cato, you have to get a big man in return who can play in the inside. Doesn't have to be an allstar (and you couldn't get that obviously), but Raef LaFrentz isn't the answer.
This team needs some bangers and you want to get rid of our best one in Cato? Just say HELL NO to LaPussy.
I'm in the minority here. Why does Dallas give up a starter (La Frentz), a hustle type role player who is frequently on the court at crunch time (Najera), a tall Euro guard with upside (Welsh) and an expiring contract (Mills) for two underachieving backups? You guys can gripe about LaFrentz being soft all you want, but his range and weakside shot blocking makes him an excellent PF to place next to Yao.
We're in the minority, I suppose. This deal has 0% chance of being considered. IF it were a fair/square deal, Cubes would allow his Mexican fan base to look south on I-45?
You know I just could not sit on the sidelines for this debate. 1. Dallas would love to have Cato because he would be the only true center that is worth a damn on the team. The LaFrentz experiment has been a disastrous failure in Dallas that has rarely worked. 2. No underachieving, disappearing player in the NBA would be worth putting next to Yao Ming. Reaf is the biggest underachiever in the game taday. Dallas desperately needs a big man and they already have Reaf, that alone should tell us something about him. I predict Reaf will see his minutes drop like Shawn Bradley's did. Fortson will be starting at center in Dallas if he plays up to his level just two years ago. There you go GATER, now I now you will join the anti-Reaf faction.
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Gater, Well said. Just to add something that people keep forgetting: Teams rarely trade within their own divisions, especially when the deal involves potential starting caliber players.
crash - Let me make sure I totally understand you. You are CD for a day and get a conference call from Cuban and Nelson Sr. They are offering LaFrentz, Najera, Welsh and Mills for Cato and Norris and you say "No, thanks"? I won't even get into what I think of a Dallas frontline of Jamison, Nowitski, and Fortson as a 6-8 260 Center.
You do know Raef got more minutes (in games he played) and pretty decent stat as a rookie when Fortson was a second yr man at Denver, don't you? BTW, if Raef plays up to his level 2 yrs ago, he would be pretty ok too.
Two years ago he sucked after he was traded to the Mavs and was a non-factor in the play-offs that year just like he was a non-factor in the play-offs this past season. So I completely disagree about Reaf being pretty ok two years ago. I will admit that Reaf showed tons of promise at Denver but still never lived up to his potential. I would take Mo Taylor over Reaf LaFrentz any day of the week. My biggest fear for Eddie Griffin is that he will never be any more than Reaf LaFrentz. As of right now Eddie is the younger, black Reaf that rebounds a little better but doesn't hit the three quite as well.
Good idea MC1adfsomeotherstuffALC3, I wouldn't do it though. I think Cato is just revealing the tip of the iceberg with last year's play. I think he can be a full time starter somewhere. He either has a tremendous value here or as better trade bait. I want a difference maker for him.
hell no..Lafrentz is too damn soft, only thing he got over cato is a better shot(???), cato brings toughness and he's pretty good coming off the bench getting rebounds,and blocking shots.
Houston trades: PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 20.6 minutes) C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.1 minutes) PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 16.8 minutes) Houston receives: C Raef LaFrentz (9.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 23.4 minutes) SF Chris Mills (4.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.5 minutes) SF Eduardo Najera (6.7 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 23.0 minutes) PG Jiri Welsch (1.6 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 6.3 minutes) Change in team outlook: +5.2 ppg, +1.4 rpg, and -0.1 apg. Dallas trades: C Raef LaFrentz (9.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 23.4 minutes) SF Chris Mills (4.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.5 minutes) SF Eduardo Najera (6.7 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 23.0 minutes) PG Jiri Welsch (1.6 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 6.3 minutes) Dallas receives: PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 67 games) C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 73 games) PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 82 games) Change in team outlook: -5.2 ppg, -1.4 rpg, and +0.1 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED I could be talked into doing this one. I don't know how much Dallas values Najera and Welsch. If they're not particularly attached to them, maybe they'd be willing to throw them in just to get rid of LaFrentz. Rockets do this because they still dump salary while taking on Raef's contract. I've heard good things about Welsch and would consider him an upgrade over Moochie, but I defer to the opinion of others. We get a little smaller in the frontcourt, but still get an energy player in Najera for (gasp!) energy player in Cato, and soft big man Raef for soft big man Taylor.
Has anyone ever considered the fact that nobody wants either Cato or Moochie? NOBODY! Taylor is tradeable. At least he can score and is no more overpaid than Antawn Jamison. Both Cato and Moochie are terribly overpaid for the for the contributions the provide. Cato can't create on his own offensively, and you can get a minimum wage NBDL guy to do what Moochie does. The Rockets are stuck with both of their contracts until the end. Deal with it and move on...
I think this post leads into the reality of this off season. Cato and Taylor at the begining of last season would have been voted off the team if it were up to the fans. Everybody hated them. Last season Cato became a (I can't believe I'm saying this) hustle player and somewhat of a fan favorite. Taylor started showing why we gave him that contract towards the end of the season and would only have to improve his rebounding numbers by to or three a game to be everything we need in a PF. What I'm trying to say is lets not trade assets that have little value currently. Cato and Taylor might be worth an Allstar by midseason. The only players that I think we could trade and get good value for are: 1. Glen Rice - 9 million in expiring contract is worth 9 million. 2. Cat - Mobley has great value to any team, he can score, defend, and works very hard, coupled with his nice contract. The contract is the only problem here, Cat is worth more than his contract. (I think JVG will love Cat and probably already does) 3. Steve - We should be able to get an Allstar for Steve. The problem here is teams only trade their allstars if they are not happy with them, we are perfectly happy with Steve, why would we want sombody elses problem child. 4. Moochie - A season ago Moochie was the fan fav. now he is this off seasons fan whipping boy. Basically he ain't worth nothin so whatever we get can't be worth less as long as the money is the same and the contract is shorter. While it makes for a boring off season I think we are doing the right thing by not making a bunch of big player moves. Lets see what JVG can do with what we have and then decide who needs to go. Unless we can get Duncan or Garnet for Moochie and one of Grandma's fruitcakes.
