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A possible trade? (not for the last player to light us up)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sydmill, Apr 20, 2004.

  1. sydmill

    sydmill Member

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    Just went to a Seattle board and their management admitted they are in a rebuilding phase. Seems like nobody is safe in Sonicland, including our very own Rashard Lewis. I wonder if Seattle would be willing to give up Rashard and Calvin Booth for Cato plus our trade exception.

    Why Seattle might pull the trigger: They are rebuilding and deal opens up wiggle room under the cap for them to go after free agents. They get rid of a bad contract in Booth and Lewis has like 5 years left on his deal. In Cato they get a center better than anything they've had since Sam Perkins and they are playing in the same division as LA.

    Cato/James
    Collison
    Radmonivic
    Allen/Murray
    Daniels

    Plus the #12 pick (maybe Gordan?) and a free agent or 2

    Why we pull the trigger: We need help at both forward positions. Rashard gives us a legit 3 with an outside shot and the athleticism to learn to play good d under JVG. This also gives the team a chance to finally live down the Turkan debacle.

    Yao/Booth
    Taylor/Spoon
    Lewis/Jackson
    Jackson/Mobley
    Francis/Wilks
     
  2. gucci888

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    I'm all for getting R. Lewis, but the Sonics won't deal him for Cato and some $$. Sonics are really looking to add a PF, they are looking at Chandler and Kwame Brown.

    The Sonics might be interested in MoT though. They were very close to signing him before we did. Not sure if they want to add his contract though.
     
  3. qwerty

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    But what if the trade exception helps them keep Ray Allen? Or atleast get something for him in a sign and trade? Seattle is going nowhere and right now it looks like Ray will probably leave? Sure they can probably get something better, but I don't think its out of the realm of possibility.
     
  4. Sherlock

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    AElliot or Gater, if you guys are around ... could you explain the TE just a bit? (wish we had the search function, so I could just look up your previous excellent work on the subject)

    Could the exception be split up into more than one trade to two different teams? I understood from what you guys said, that we couldn't use more than one player in a trade. But, could we use it for more than one trade, with different teams?
     
  5. dragonsnake

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    Who do we need two overpaid soft players that cannot play defense. Can those two push us to the top? No....
     
  6. Relativist

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    Seattle's looking for the same thing we are: a defensive-minded PF who can play and defend in the low post. All things being equal, they might not mind adding Cato or possibly Taylor to their team, but they won't be willing to trade us anyone of value for them.
     
  7. pasox2

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    Seattle would be stupid to add a defensive minded 4 to that squad. They need another score - first guy to keep up, and need to fire Mc Millan. A PJ Brown would be a waste of time with them.
     
  8. m_cable

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    We don't need more defensive players. JVG is doing pretty good with his defensive schemes, but we desperately need some shooters. And getting Rashard isn't going to push us over the top, but it's a piece to build with. Sacto didn't just trade for Webber and then instantly became a contender. They traded for Bibby, they signed Bobby Jackson. Peja developed into a top-flight sf. And they built some chemistry as a team. I'd do that trade in a second. But I wonder if Seattle would.
     
  9. daNasty

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    Who the heck want Lewis? There are better players that we can try to get. We just have to convince them to come here since the first foundation already been established is that there is a centre. now we need a legit point guard to run the show.

    After watching the Spurs play with Ginobli and Tony, I felt that what if we had such creative smart guards?
     
  10. Yetti

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    This is not facing up to the fact that we need a Playmaker Point Guard to lead this Team and this is the main problem that needs to be addressed.
     
  11. dragonsnake

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    Did Sac win any championship? It is not if Seattle would or not, it is we need to players that have mental toughness and hard nose player. I cannot see any from those two players. Watch Sac and Dallas, and compare them with Spurs and Lakers, you'll know why.
     
  12. sydmill

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    if you dont think that rashard lewis would be a huge upgrade at the 3 spot that would improve our half court offense and fast break, you're on crack. Lewis would be good for 14 pts and 7 rebs a game easy. no offense to JJ who has had a good year, but he is playing out of position and i dont expect him to be able to log minutes like this next year.
     
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    Rashard is overrated and inconsistent.

    He is NOT a better three point shooter, and can NOT run the floor better than JJ. If we're gonna get a SF, or anyone for that matter, that's what we need.
     
  14. sydmill

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    Okay, I just cannot believe that so many here would rather not have Rashard Lewis. Unfortunately, the best way I can think of comparing Shard to other is by their stats. I realize that stats dont tell the whole story, so forth and so on the arguments go. Anyway, here are JJ's (1st column) stats, then Ray Allens (2d), and then Shards (3d).

    gs 80 56 80
    mins 39 38 37
    fg% 42.4 44 43.5
    3pt% 40 39.2 37.6
    ft% 84.3 90 76.3
    reb 6.1 5 6.5
    ass 2.8 4.8 2.2
    stls 1 1.27 1.24
    pts 12.9 23 17.8

    age 33 29 24
    height 6'6'' 6'5'' 6'10''
    weight 220 205 215

    I separated the last set of stats b/c those are the most important. Shard has not peaked and possesses the requisite height and athleticism to play the 3 for the next 10 years. this is definitely one case where the stats speak for themselves.
     
  15. leebigez

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    Just liek the nfl like surrounding a avgqb with playmakers everywhere else, the Rockets maybe can do the same and it will make his job easier. Better to have talent than not too.
     
  16. gucci888

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    I totally agree. Shard is still young as hell, 24!! He's got the size and the offensive ability to be a longterm SF. He's a hometown kid, and JVG could really help him develop into a hell of a player. I don't think playing with GP, Ray Allen, and Nate McMillan, would be helpful in developing a high school kid.

    Don't get me wrong, JJ has been unbelievable this season. But he's too small to be our starting SF.
     
  17. dragonsnake

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    Sure we need as much talent as possible., but we don't need those highly overpaid talent on our team, (Rashard/Booth)
     
  18. GATER

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    Sherlock,
    By virtue of the Rice/Amaechi trade, the Rockets have a $6.9m "credit"...basically to complete the trade. The trade exception can be split into to multiple pieces but it can not be combined with another exception...primarily the MLE or the +/- 15% assigned player exception. And it definitely can not be used to sign FA's.

    The "only one player" was printed in a Jonathan Feigen article about Eddie Griffin. After much deliberation, aelliott determined Feigen was wrong. And I agree.

    The Rockets can trade one or multiple players for one or multiple players (to multiple teams) as long as the incoming salary or salaries do not exceed $6.9m. The Rockets can also send a future draft pick out for any incoming salary up to $6.9m. In fact, if two teams want to make a trade and can't get the salaries to work out, they can send the Rockets a player....and a pick or two for facilitating the deal.

    And if that's not enough, the Rockets can use the assigned player exception on one part of a deal and the TE on another.

    Does that help?
     
  19. GATER

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    Correction....

    The Rockets can trade one or multiple players for one or multiple players (to multiple teams) as long as the incoming salary or salaries do not exceed $6.9m of the outgoing contracts.
     
  20. Gutter Snipe

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    If I was to get 1 player from Seattle, I'd want Brent Barry, not Rashard. He is the kind of great shooter and good passer you want surrounding Yao:

    MPG: 30.6
    FG%: 50.4 (career 46.4)
    3P%: 45.2 (career 40.7)
    RPG: 3.5
    Ast: 5.8 (career 3.9, but averaged over 5 the last 3 seasons)
    FT%: 82.7

    He'll be 32/33 next year, but I bet he wouldn't cost as much as a Rashard, and he won't make our team younger/dumber.

    The other thing that I don't like about Rashard is that he plays small for his size. Seattle hasn't been impressed with his improvement this year, and think that Vlad Rad could replace him. He has the same size as Lamar Odom and a similar paycheck, but nowhere near the same game.

    Anyway, we need to improve the PF position, not the SF. Replacing our starting SF with a similar one with a bigger ego and paycheck will not help the Rockets.
     

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