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A part of the Religious Right who see Pres. Bush as a traitor

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rhester, Aug 25, 2006.

  1. rhester

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    THE NAKED PRESIDENT
    By Pastor Chuck Baldwin
    August 25, 2006
    NewsWithViews.com
    I well remember back in the 2000 elections many conservatives (especially conservative Christians) attempting to assuage my trepidation and misgiving regarding then candidate George W. Bush by saying, "Chuck, don't worry; Bush cannot act like a conservative, because he wouldn't be able to get elected [Funny how it didn't stop Ronald Reagan!] if he did. But be assured that once he is elected, you will see his true conservatism."
    Well, we waited and waddled through Dubya's first term in office, and there was precious little indication of his "true conservatism."
    Then, those same conservatives said, "Chuck, don't worry; G.W. couldn't act like a conservative his first term, because he wouldn't be able to get re-elected. But be assured that once he is re-elected, you will see his true conservatism."
    Now, nearly six years into Bush's presidency, I'm still waiting to see his "true conservatism."
    The truth is, George W. Bush has never been a conservative, and those who said (or say) he was (or is) are either woefully naïve or are deliberately lying. In fact, the anti-conservative policies of President Bush are so numerous they are extremely difficult to keep track of.
    Note: I have chronicled much information regarding the true Bush record for anyone willing to look at it. Go to: [Read]
    Just recently, our "conservative" President expressed his support for the over-the-counter sales of the so-called "Plan B" (and his Food and Drug Administration just approved it), which is much more than a contraceptive. As I have documented before in this column, Plan B actually terminates an early pregnancy by preventing the fertilized egg from attaching itself to the wall of the fallopian tube, thereby killing a newly conceived baby.
    Secondly, this "conservative" President recently signed into law the Federal Pension Protection Act that greatly benefits same-sex couples-a decision that is being highly lauded by feminist groups around the country.
    If that isn't enough, last April the Bush administration entered into an agreement with then-Crown Prince Abdullah that allows Saudis to receive scholarships to study (can you believe it?) aviation in the United States!
    Yet, it gets worse. The Bush administration recently announced plans to sell $4.6 billion worth of arms to Arab countries such as the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Jordan, and Oman.
    Of course, it has been this "conservative" President's dismal policies that have served to facilitate and even encourage the hordes of illegal aliens that are pouring over our southern border. The result of Bush madness regarding the illegal alien problem can be easily seen by the fact that nearly half of all illegal aliens in this country have arrived since Bush became President in 2000.
    Furthermore, this "conservative" President has committed the United States to a trilateral, hemispheric governing entity called The North American Union that virtually erases the borders between the U.S., Mexico, and Canada. In addition, his plans for a NAFTA super-highway are already well underway. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that President Bush's policies are facilitating the "reconquista" of the Southwestern U.S. and the collapse of America's sovereignty as we understood it.
    Please, remember, too, that we have not even here addressed President Bush's absolutely dismal decision to invade Iraq resulting in a host of national and international problems that portend a very ominous outlook for America's overall peace and security.
    And speaking of security, neither have we discussed the Orwellian policies of this President that are quickly eradicating constitutional government, replacing it with an emerging police state.
    It is no hyperbole to state that President George W. Bush is managing the fall of the American republic!
    For anyone with eyes to see, G.W. Bush stands before us without the wool façade of conservatism, but as a naked and unmasked neocon. I'm not sure if America will ever recover. As for conservatism as a major political force, Bush has already killed it!
    © 2006 Chuck Baldwin - All Rights Reserved

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  2. MadMax

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    Seriously, this guy hasn't made anyone happy. Conservatives were disappointed with him. Liberals think he's just to the left of Hitler. And those in the middle are uninspired.
     
  3. vlaurelio

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    well he does make a lot of non americans happy.. like israel and al queda

    and a few americans richer thus happier
     
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    Did any of you guys read Gregory Boyd's "Myth of a Christian Nation"? It's a great book, highly recommended, especially for you MadMax and rhester.
     
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    i would like to read it. thanks for the tip!

    there's a book recently published that talks about the Christian Right political movement. i have not read it, but on the cover is some HUGE church that has a giant flag hanging by the cross. literally it gives me the chills. really, really disturbing to me.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    Pastor Chuck seems deranged as does anybody who uses the term "Trilateral" when ranting about conspiracy theories.
     
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    That's basically what the book is about, Max. Its full title is: "The Myth of a Christian Nation: How the Quest for Political Power Is Destroying the Church." He's an Evangelical Pastor In fact, I saw him on Charlie Rose the other day, I came away rather impressed with him; he's a man of character and one who isn't afraid to speak his mind, even if it irritates his congregation and leads to a good fifth of them walking out on him in the middle of a sermon.

    Here's a brief 'intro' to his book:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=Dr...istian+nation&sig=TDz9TOC6CeuviXskZQug-MVw5GQ

    It's really a recommended read.
     
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    the first page resonates with me strongly. i don't want churches identifying themselves strongly with either political party.
     
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    Thanks, I have not read the entire book but excerpts on the 'net.

    I personally cannot stand the politicalization of Jesus Christ.

    I do believe in Christians in government- when they act like Christians.

    Politicians who claim to be Christians and live like hypocrites make me , I'll just say very dissapointed and angry. (I realize I am being judgmental- but I believe leaders, both politicians and pastors are held to a higher public standard)

    I do not like the term Christian Nation.

    You don't want to know what I think of our government in terms of Christianity.

    Thanks for the link (I had read it before)
     
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    That's part of his thesis; it's on page 11 of that link I provided.
     
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    yeah. i'm baffled by the willingness of Christians to do that. i love the US...it's my home. it's afforded me tremendous opportunities. but i do not want anyone looking over its history and referring to it as Christian..or Christ-like.
     
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    The closest I allow us to come to politics in our church is praying for all government leaders and praying for the soldiers.

    We don't do any Religious Right stuff.

    We preach Christ.
     
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    yeah..that's the part i read. thanks, again.
     
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    I am not political myself as Pastor Baldwin appears to be, but he obviously is not following the conservative right like a sheep, at least he is thinking independently from Christian sound bytes.
     
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    Bush is average and in some cases below average..."smatt" scholars generally agree, but having the post 9/11 mindset was his greatest contribution to his presidency...GOD willing, we will keep it generating after his term is over...
     
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    Pastor Chuck is an example of our failed educational system. Or maybe he was reading his bible during sex-ed, to keep it pure.

    Is anyone surprised that the religious right are kinda fuzzy on this whole reproductive science thingy? But it sure does not stop these bozos from having the only correct and moral and Christian opinion on such matters.

    God helps us all.
     
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    I opened this thread thinking to see that the religious right wasn't happy about the magnitude of lies W has told, but no ...

    Just some extreme right nut job who thinks W has not gotten enough hate on against :

    pro-abortionists
    same-sex couples (ie gays)
    feminist groups
    Saudis (Arabs and Musilims)
    hordes of illegal aliens / "reconquista" of the Southwestern U.S.

    WWJD? Get his hate on!!!
     
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    Bush has cuddled up with the Religious Right, but mostly with platitudes, big talk and nods of recognition. He's talked a lot about abortion, same-sex marriages, freedom of religion, prayer in school, etc. But he's done surprisingly little on issues the Religious Right feels strongly about...

    ...except starting an endless war in the Middle East that the Religous Right hopes leads to The Rapture.

    But mostly Bush uses the Religious Right, and they're so desperate for recognition and political power, they support anything Bush says -- including his bigger agenda of tax cuts, greater corporate influence, war, open oil spigots and maximized presidential powers.
     
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    i'm having a hard time finding Jesus in all that.
     
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    Packing the judicial courts with conservative activist judges has been a big hit with the religious right.

    Forcing states and other countries to fund stem cell research is another big hit.


    I do think that Big Business Republicans have had their "conservative" causes better served than the religious right. That makes what he does for religious right look more like concessions than true support.
     

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