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A genuine question for those that wish to escape t-mac mania

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by LosPollosHermanos, Nov 24, 2009.

  1. LosPollosHermanos

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    For the sake of the site, I really don't want to hear the
    t-(mcdonald's burger) as I read this. ;) :eek:


    As me and a couple of other posters in a thread were debating on this team's future w/o Yao. I couldn't find it within myself to reason on a one to one level with them as I thought our aim for this team's success coincided. Then it finally hit me as I began to read a couple of recurrent statements in their defense.

    It was that Yao Ming has great "Marketability"..etc. Now I did not intend this to be a bashful or hateful thread, so hold on to the 2-3 stars or flaming. My question is, does the fact that he is marketable ultimately bring us closer to a championship? I thought, of course not at first, but would this translate to his value Via a trade even though counting on him playing a season is folly?
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  2. Cohete Rojo

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    The fact that he is the most popular man (not just athlete) in China makes him extremely popular to have for an NBA owner. Les Alexander is making bookoo bucks off Yao in China. He won't give him up until his career is over. If Les can sell a jersey to every Chinese then why give him up?

    I think the whole T-Mac drama is built upon the idea that if another bigtime scoring SG/SF comes to Houston he will help Les Alexander make even more money. Tracy's money making in China seems to have peaked and it's high time that someone else came in. Joe Johnson? Chris Bosh? Amare Stoudemire? etc?
     
  3. LosPollosHermanos

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    I'm going to pretend that last paragraph isn't there.


    But is Les at fault here then, since he isn't looking to improve the team more with the extra Yaocash?
     
  4. Lonestar

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    Too many new members lately

    I think everyone should understand what NBA is: BIZ. and what the players are? Commodities! :grin: :grin:

    ;) ;)
     
  5. LosPollosHermanos

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    I think that is common sense, but so is making the team better, and with such a big city like houston which deserves priority?
     
  6. rockets119

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    making the team better comes secondary
    nba is all about making money..

    two scenerios
    1) keeping yao you get big time money, for sure, and you have slim chance of contending
    2) trading him you have a better chance to improve your ball club, but there's making money is not a sure thing

    option is the sure thing money wise, winning wise maybe.
    option two winning wise is still maybe, but money wise there probably will be a big drop off
     
  7. rockets119

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    excuse my typos by the way
     
  8. wekko368

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    Are you aware of the luxury tax and how it works?
     
  9. LosPollosHermanos

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    Please excuse my ignorance, but its the extra a team has to pay for going over the cap, correct?
     
  10. dakeem1

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    A team that winds championships is ultimately going to make more @@@ for the owner. It means more ticket sales and more international sales of jersey's (regardless of whether there is a huge marketable star).
    Please refer to Ben Wallace Jersey's after the 2003 championship.

    However, it is true that Yao is a cash cow and Les maybe be making enough money for his liking. I don't know, but I still see more upside for Les if he can improve this team, and I hope he understands that.

    For us fans, it is never about the $$$. It is all about our team's success.
     
  11. bloop

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    If you're talking about actual return on investment, instead of penny ante crap the real money of a pro franchise is in building its longterm value. steinbrenner bought the yankees for $10 million, Jerry Jones paid $70 million for the cowboys. If either of those guys were to sell we're talking billions. There's 2 ways to maximize your investment. First is obviously to win championships and have success on the court. Second is to contribute to the overall health and popularity of the league (compare the relative value of NBA and NHL franchises flipping over the past 30 years). Even if you say the NBA is a business, the best thing that can possibly happen to "your business" is to win a ring.

    The other major source of revenue for an owner of course is stadium revenue and local broadcasting. But being popular in China obviously isn't going to give Yao any particular strength in the Houston market that a comparable American star wouldn't have. And when's the last time we've seen a huge influx of fans from mainland china who come to games because they're fans of Yao.

    I guess our Chinese posters would know more about the side deals that Les is doing in China to make himself rich but having 200 million fans in China doesn't add much to the bottom line for the Rockets, any more than Japanese fans add to the value of the Red Sox. From what I understand jersey revenue is split across the league with Stern taking his cut as well... and it's not like Les can negotiate a lucrative separate deal with Chinese tv either. I mean I can understand if you say being Yao's teammate helps financially since they will get chinese shoe deals and sell more of their own kicks in China, but how much does Yao's popularity actually help the Houston Rockets?

    People say it all the time but I don't see why Yao makes the Rockets significantly more valuable with revenue from China. I was under the impression that Yao was here coz he's the best offensive center in the world, a huge defensive presence and great team leader.
     
  12. IamKhan

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    Yao is almost untradeable.

    You have to trade Yao to a team YAO LIKES. Otherwise, he will not re-sign. No team will give us anything valuable for one year's renting of Yao's service. I see very teams will be attractive to YAO if we trade YAO for their franchise players. For example, Yao for Bosh might be good for both teams, but why Yao wants to re-sign if Toronto cannot even make the playoff, the what's the point for Toronto to lose Bosh?
     
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    Yao gives the Rockets increased gate receipts when he is playing. He also gives the Rockets advertising and sponsorship deals that they would not receive under other circumstances. When most NBA teams were hard up for cash because of the economy, Les was able to purchase three draft choices (Chase Budinger, Jermaine Taylor, and Sergio Llull. The Rockets would not have the rights to these players if it were not for Yao.
     
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    Yao topic again?

    Look, firstly, Yao is popular in China is related to his success in NBA. It's all connected. Ask Bucks and NETS owner if they make tons money off Yi.

    Secondly, even Yao has less success in playoffs, but it's hard to find a guy who is so talentd and hard-working as Yao. The guy who work everyday to be success to be winner. As owner, what more can you ask?
     
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    Yao's value is not his marketability. Its that he one of the best if not the best center in the NBA. Yes, he has some trouble with gimmick defense but so does any center when they are getting double/tripled and fronted. The fact he owns Howard in their matchups probably proves that he is the best one on one center in the league.
     
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    Yao's marketability creates international revenue sources that have insulated the team from the effects of the US economic slowdown, so in that sense, yes, having Yao does give the rockets increased chance for success. They are doing well at a time when many teams & owners are struggling, and they are able to translate some of that money over to buying draft picks, keeping a decent payroll, not having to slash budget, etc.

    On top of that, Yao is one of the two best centers in the NBA, is a hard worker, a great example for the younger players, and a great teammate.

    so yes, Yao is a great first step toward building a championship team, culture, and organization.
     
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    Same sh**, different day.
     
  18. crash5179

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    For the right player I would consider trading him.

    Chris Paul... yes. Not sure NOH would do it and I feel certain that Les would not do it.
     

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