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[82Games] Rank by Position

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Air Langhi, Dec 7, 2012.

  1. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    <table cellspacing="1" border="0" bgcolor="efefef" width="850"><tbody><tr bgcolor="efefef"><td><center><font size="-1">12-13</font></center></td><td bgcolor="0000ff" colspan="6"><center><font size="-1" color="ffffff"><b>Offense (Ranks)</b></font></center></td><td bgcolor="ff0000" colspan="6"><center><font size="-1" color="ffffff"><b>Defense (Ranks)</b></font></center></td><td bgcolor="000000" colspan="6"><center><font size="-1" color="ffffff"><b>Net (Ranks)</b></font></center></td><td bgcolor="ffcc00" colspan="3"><center><font size="-1" color="000000"><b>PER Difference</b></font></center></td></tr><tr bgcolor="33cc33"><td width="60"><center><font size="-1"><b>POS</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>Pts</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>FG%</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>Reb</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>Ast</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>T/O</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>FTA</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>Pts</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>FG%</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>Reb</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>Ast</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>T/O</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>FTA</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>Pts</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>FG%</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>Reb</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>Ast</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>T/O</b></font></center></td><td width="45"><center><font size="-1"><b>FTA</b></font></center></td><td width="50"><center><font size="-1"><b>PER</b></font></center></td><td width="50"><center><font size="-1"><b>Opp</b></font></center></td><td width="50"><center><font size="-1"><b>Rank</b></font></center></td></tr><tr bgcolor="f0f0df"><td align="center"><font size="-1">PG</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 25 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 30 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 1 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 20 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 28 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 11 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 23 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 25 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 23 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 15 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 3 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 9 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 25 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 30 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 7 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 22 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 13 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 10 &nbsp;</font></td><td bgcolor="f0f0df" align="right"><font size="-1">10.0&nbsp;</font></td><td bgcolor="ffffff" align="right"><font size="-1">13.5&nbsp;</font></td><td bgcolor="99ff99" align="right"><font size="-1"> 21 &nbsp;</font></td></tr><tr bgcolor="ffffff"><td align="center"><font size="-1">SG</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 2 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 18 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 11 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 6 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 29 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 1 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 8 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 1 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 24 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 29 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 27 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 16 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 1 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 6 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 15 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 15 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 30 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 1 &nbsp;</font></td><td bgcolor="f0f0df" align="right"><font size="-1">18.6&nbsp;</font></td><td bgcolor="ffffff" align="right"><font size="-1">13.7&nbsp;</font></td><td bgcolor="99ff99" align="right"><font size="-1"> 3 &nbsp;</font></td></tr><tr bgcolor="f0f0df"><td align="center"><font size="-1">SF</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 6 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 5 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 10 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 2 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 15 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 23 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 12 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 20 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 4 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 5 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 21 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 5 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 9 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 9 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 3 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 2 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 21 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 13 &nbsp;</font></td><td bgcolor="f0f0df" align="right"><font size="-1">16.2&nbsp;</font></td><td bgcolor="ffffff" align="right"><font size="-1">14.3&nbsp;</font></td><td bgcolor="99ff99" align="right"><font size="-1"> 11 &nbsp;</font></td></tr><tr bgcolor="ffffff"><td align="center"><font size="-1">PF</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 11 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 7 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 25 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 23 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 5 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 30 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 29 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 25 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 19 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 20 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 29 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 13 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 23 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 14 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 24 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 21 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 12 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 28 &nbsp;</font></td><td bgcolor="f0f0df" align="right"><font size="-1">15.2&nbsp;</font></td><td bgcolor="ffffff" align="right"><font size="-1">19.3&nbsp;</font></td><td bgcolor="99ff99" align="right"><font size="-1"> 26 &nbsp;</font></td></tr><tr bgcolor="f0f0df"><td align="center"><font size="-1">C</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 22 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 17 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 1 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 18 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 28 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 8 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 12 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 17 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 18 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 17 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 14 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 18 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 18 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 18 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 2 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 18 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 26 &nbsp;</font></td><td align="right"><font size="-1"> 13 &nbsp;</font></td><td bgcolor="f0f0df" align="right"><font size="-1">14.8&nbsp;</font></td><td bgcolor="ffffff" align="right"><font size="-1">16.9&nbsp;</font></td><td bgcolor="99ff99" align="right"><font size="-1"> 21 &nbsp;</font></td></tr></tbody></table>

    http://www.82games.com/1213/BYPOSL10.HTM

    I was kind of surprised how bad our front court is ranked. I guess there a lot of good 4s in the league and Ppat isn't a great defender. I am also kind of surprised by our Center ranking as I thought asik would do better and there aren't a lot of good 5s in the league. Obviously SG with harden is ranked pretty high and Parson is a pretty good 3. TD and Lin have kind of struggled so the low SG rank is kind of understandable.
     
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    Question, if Parsons guards mostly 2's but plays the 3, which position benefits on the defensive rating?

    Does Harden get credit for Parsons work? Thats how it looks.
     
  4. durvasa

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    Yes. Cross-matchups don't show up in the play-by-play, and that's what 82games is parsing/analyzing.
     
  5. sydmill

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    This appears to bare out what we have known:1 and 4 are our weak links
     
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    Why is Asik 21?
     
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    His TO's are high, shooting pct down lately.
     
  8. CDrex

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    Pretty simple answer: PER doesn't have much regard for low-percentage shooters, regardless of how much value they bring elsewhere. There's no doubt when you look at Asik's overall impact that he's a top 10-15 center.
     
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    Look at the T-Wolves' small forwrd & the Suns' point gaurd.:eek:
    Good job Budinger & Dragic:)
     
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    Doran Dragic is #2, Lowry is #10, Lin is #21 LoL Smh
     
  11. REDNINJA

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    Budinger comes off the bench, that ranking is from Kirilenko
     
  12. Rokman

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    Let's hope Lin sees these stats. Maybe it will light a fire. Maybe we will start seeing some ranking adjustments.
     
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    That's why Harden is calling to recruit another star player.
     
  14. meh

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    No. PER actually doesn't penalize for low percentage shooter. Harden being the obvious example here.

    I think people make PER out to be more complicated than it really is. In essence, it's a stat that organizes all other stats into one number. So that rather than saying the player got 15p/10r/3a/2b/1s/4to/50%/25%3pt/1-2FTs, you can just use a single number to represent it.

    In that sense, it has the same problems that normal stats have. Players with better raw stats get higher PER, i.e. 20ppg > 10ppg. Defense is not accounted for unless it's rebounds/blocks/steals. Higher usage matter, shoot 20 times on 50% > shoot 5 times on 50%. etc. Given that Asik is a low usage player with only one superior raw stat in rebounds, he's bound to have low PER.
     
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    one point about ranking players as a average of their ordinal rankings in each statistical category...

    These kinds of rankings also had David Robinson ranked #1 player (ahead of Jordan) in the '90s and had him ranked best Center ever. It's really not worth analyzing for any other reason than to show how boxscore-based statistics are flawed.

    btw: as of today, Harden's PER is 20. When did you run these numbers?
     
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    So this is a ranking that includes not just starters but also backups, correct? If so, then it doesn't really make sense to call out individual players if their backups are also included in these rankings.
     
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    If these rankings were accurate, the Rockets wouldn't be anywhere near a 500 record. The are clearly very flawed stats if what you are trying to determine is the ranking of each team at each of these positions.
     
  18. Alex L.

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    Arrrghh.... When is 2pat getting traded????
     
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    probably another brother of Goran and Zoran:cool:
     
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    I doubt Les's pet project JLin is a Rocket until the end of his contract. Looks more and more like Trevor Ariza to me who turned a ring with LA into a nice contract.
     

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