RealGM: Denver offers Ginobili 6yr contract starting at 9M

This does not bode well for the Rockets getting Barry. I can't see where SA will match a contract like that. Are they under the cap to offer Barry more than MLE?

 

He hasn't signed it yet. I'm still skeptical that he will, I think the Nugs are being played.

 

Do you think SA will match? Because I can't see that. I see this, if true, as a Nugget offer that they know no one, including SA, will match.

 

i hope when they say "start at $9 million dollars" they mean average $9M otherwise we're looking at a 6 year, $67.5M deal for manu freakin' ginobili (assuming 10% raises). actually, even averaging $9M is stupid. cuttino probably wishes he was an FA this year and not next year. imagine what he could get. everyone will probably get scared by all these contracts and he'll sign another below market value contract next year.


hide your checkbook CD!!!

 

manu haven't signed the offer sheet yet so the spurs don't HAVE to match that. if TD taught his teammates about loyalty, maybe Manu would re-sign with the spurs for less money.

 

How much does loyalty worth? I don't see Spurs matching any offer that is so ridiculous.

 

It can be 6 years, $60 million and still start at $9 mil. Last year Kiki set it up so the contracts of Andre Miller and Earl Boykins were higher in the first year to give us more flexibility this year.

$9 mil a year is what I heard as the highest point SA would match. I guess we might find out.

 

STARTING at $9 MIL??

THat would be 6 years, $69 MIL.

Crazy.........................

Its definitely a sellers market this year due to the tame free agent pool.

 

If Spurs lose Hedo and Manu, they may go aggresively after Barry, but even more aggresively after Kobe.

 

seems like the trend now is to unload bad contracts...free up cap space to sign free agents....then throw all ur cap space on another bad contract. does that makes sense to everyone? i dont understand these GMs.....

nash 5yr 65 mil (6 yr optional)?
kmart maxed out?
foyle 5yr 41mil?
okur 6yr 50mil?
manu 9mil a yr?

nash and kmart are excellent players... but i would never pay them that much... cuban was smart by not matching nash! as for foyle... career avg of 4pts, 5 reb. per game? is this worth 8 mil/yr just becuase ur 6'11?

 

9 mil are u kidding me?

The nuggest are gonna be dangerous. I hope the rockets make additional moves.

 

I think the only way the Spurs would not match Manu is if they have a good shot at Kobe. Manu is by far the 2nd best all-around (defense, penetrating, shooting) swingman out there and was their 2nd best all around player. Without him TD can be even more targted by opponents defenses.

$9 mil a lot, but w/o Manu or Kobe I don't see the Spurs competing for a title next year. Q and SJack are not bad replacements, but I don't think they are the all-around players Manu is. It is why they let SJack go last year away, they went to a lot of effort to get in position to resign Manu (and know can target Kobe, but that is a long shot)--to just get 6 million dollar + replacements in Q or SJac plus resigning Bowen may be financially prudent, but does not produce the same caliber of team on the floor.

I love it Denver is sticking them with a very tough decision.

 

Yeah it's really strange and I can't fathom it. I thought the way teams were unloading bad contracts right and left, most GMs would be more financially frugal.

My opinion is that ginoboli is the best of the bunch though.

 

Somehow I don't feel it will be a tough decision for Spurs. If it is $9M, they won't match it. They can get Barry for $24M/4year and play him at sg. that is a lot cheaper and Barry shots the ball much better.

 

Agree. I think he will take that to Pop/SA management and say how close can you get to this?

Besides, Nugz should be going after K-Mart.

I don't understand all these guards getting max/near max deals. Its supposed to be the tall players you overpay for not the shorties.

 

nevermind! whoops.

 

well looks like the Nugs aren't really going after Kobes or Martin

btw how does one make the contract higher in the first year, i thought after the first year there were set increases... about 10% for FA and 12% if you are resigning your own fa

 

if the Nugs did sign Martin what happens to Camby and Nene one of them would lose minutes big time

Nugs4 - what would you prefer... Martin or a SG?

also Nugs4 is Elson a FA and are the Nugs re-signing??

 

I'm not sure how it works, but I know that Kiki arranged it so Boykins and Miller's contracts were smaller the second year. I'll see if I can find an article on it, but I doubt I'll be able to.

As for not going after Kobe or Martin, I agree to an extent. Kobe we tried. We knew we had no shot, but we had to at least put in a little effort to see because you never know what might happen. Right now, I think he's using us and we're doing the same iwth him. Saying "Kobe, please take your time on deciding, like 14 days after the free agent signing period begins" (enough time to land Q-Rich or Manu). Martin, well, I'm not convinced he was ever our #1, 2, 3 or even 4 target. I think Kiki used Kenyon like he used Gilbert Arenas last year -- as a smoke screen for what we really wanted to do. Last year, reportedly, Kiki had Andre Miller #1 on his free agent list but everyone was talking up Gilbert. Then, we swoop in for Miller. We tried to sign Gil later (he balked over playign 2-guard), but he was never our first target. I think Kenyon was that person this summer. We still might end up with him, but I don't think he was our #1 target.

Last season the Nugs tried to limit Camby's minutes to 25 a game. This would be the perfect opportunity for us to do that without having to play Birdman (a thought that scares the hell out of me).

I think Martin is certifiably insane. I'm getting a LOT of crap about it on the Nugs board I post on, but I wouldn't sign him, let alone for the money he's demanding. Personally, I think he's overrated, and when you add in the mental health (lack there-of), it's a no-brainer. Problem is, he's the only decent big man available and we DESPERATELY need a banger. Camby and Nene are both "perimeter" post men in my opinion. Neither will go down low and just beat the hell out of the opponent. Kenyon or a SG? I'd take a SG. If they were equally talented -- SG or PF/C? PF/C. We do need a SG though.

I believe he's under contract for another year. If not, he'd BETTER be back. I think he was the most underrated player on our team last year. Birdman got all the hype, but he was CONSTANTLY out of position on D so he could have a fancy block or something stupid. Elson was just solid on D, the type of guy you can play for 15-20 minutes a night and not worry about. On offense, he has a decent shot out to the free throw line as well, if you leave him open he'll knock it down. Birdman on the other hand, well, if he's not touching hte rim, he's out of his shooting range. Unfortunately, unless someone stupid overpays for him (I'm looking at you Bickerstaff), Birdman will probably be back and continue to take minutes from Elson. Ugh.