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724,000 people arrested for mar1juana offenses last year????

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by johnheath, May 2, 2003.

  1. johnheath

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    Holy smoke! What is the point of having a law if nobody obeys it?
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    With pot and p*rn outstripping corn, America's black economy is flying high

    Illegal migrants provide the muscle for US black market

    Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
    Friday May 2, 2003
    The Guardian

    mar1juana, p*rnography and illegal labour have created a hidden market in the United States which now accounts for as much as 10% of the American economy, according to a study. As a cash crop, mar1juana is believed to have outstripped maize, and hardcore p*rn revenue is equal to Hollywood's domestic box office takings.
    Despite laws that punish mar1juana cultivation more strictly than murder in some states, Americans spend more on illegal drugs than on cigarettes. And despite official disapproval of p*rnography, the US leads the world in export of explicit sex videos, according to Reefer Madness: Sex, Drugs and Cheap Labour in the American Black Market, by Eric Schlosser.

    Although the official American economy has been suffering a downturn, the shadow economy is enjoying unprecedented levels of success, much in the way that the prohibition period fuelled the illegal markets in the 30s. Schlosser found that three specific industries accounted for a major portion of this boom.

    No aspect of farming has grown faster in the US over the past three decades than mar1juana, with one-third of the public over the age of 12 having smoked the drug.

    While the nation's largest legal cash crop, maize, produces about $19bn (£11.9bn) in revenue, "plausible" estimates for the value of mar1juana crops reach $25bn. Steve White, a former coordinator for the US drug enforcement administration's cannabis eradication programme, estimates that the drug is now the country's largest cash crop.

    mar1juana Belt


    Schlosser writes: "Although popular stereotypes depict mar1juana growers as ageing hippies in northern California or Hawaii, the majority of the mar1juana now cultivated domestically is being grown in the nation's mid-section - a swath running from the Appalachians west to the Great Plains. Throughout this mar1juana Belt drug fortunes are being made by farmers who often seem to have stepped from a page of the old Saturday Evening Post."

    Some of the most expensive crops are grown indoors on the west coast using advanced scientific techniques but the American heartlands account for the largest volume. Some estimates suggest 3 million Americans grow mar1juana, although mostly for their own or their friends' use, but between 100,000 and 200,000 are believed to do so for a living.

    The laws against the drug are strict. There were 724,000 people arrested for mar1juana offences in 2001 and about 50,000 are in prison. Commercial growers can serve sentences far longer than those for murder, but the high risks appear to have had little effect on production or availability: 89% of secondary school students surveyed indicated that they could easily obtain the drug.

    The annual number of hardcore video rentals in the US has risen from 79m in 1985 to 759m in 2001. Hardcore p*rnography in the shape of videos, the internet, live sex acts and cable television is now estimated to generate around $10bn, roughly the same amount as Hollywood's US box office receipts.

    Americans spend more money at strip clubs than at Broadway, regional theatres and orchestra performances combined. The industry has mushroomed since the 70s, when a federal study found that it was worth little more than $10m.

    Now the US leads the world in p*rnography; about 211 new films are produced every week. Los Angeles area is the centre of the film boom and many of those in the trade are otherwise respectable citizens.

    Nina Hartley, a p*rn star, told Schlosser: "You'd be surprised how many producers and manufacturers are Republicans."

    The majority of women in the films earn about $400 a scene. At the moment, there is a surplus of women in California hoping to enter the industry.

    The internet has provided a fresh and profitable outlet. In 1997 about 22,000 p*rn websites existed; the number is now closer to 300,000 and growing.

    More than a million illegal farmworkers are estimated to be employed in the US, with the average worker being a 29-year-old from Mexico.

    Surplus labour


    The total number of illegal immigrants is estimated at about 8 million and many are being paid cash in a shadow economy.

    Many live in primitive conditions: a survey in Soledad, in the heart of California's agricultural territory, found that 1,500 of them, one-eighth of the town's official population, were living in garages. There are mutual economic benefits.

    "Migrant work in California has long absorbed Mexican surplus labour, while Mexico has in effect paid for the education, health care and retirement of California's farmworkers," writes Schlosser. "Maintaining the current level of poverty among migrant farmworkers saves the average American household around $50 a year."

    The advantages to the employer are clear, most notably in LA county, where an estimated 28% of workers are paid in cash.

    Schlosser believes that the shadow economy will continue to thrive as long as mar1juana and p*rnography remain illicit.

    "A society that can punish a mar1juana offender more severely than a murderer is caught in the grip of a deep psychosis," he concludes. "Black markets will always be with us. But they will recede in importance when the public morality is consistent with our private one. The underground is a good measure of the progress and the health of nations. When much is wrong, much needs to be hidden."

    · Reefer Madness: Sex, Drugs and Cheap Labour in the American Black Market by Eric Schlosser, published by Houghton Mifflin
     
  2. robbie380

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    Well you have no disagreement from me that these laws on weed need to be fixed. It is just absurd how many people are thrown in jail for something so relatively harmless. Not to say it is completely benign, but I am going to guess more people are hurt by drunk drivers than by people who are high.

    On a side topic...I heard a good idea to reduce drunk driving brought up by a talk radio caller. Change the laws so that you can buy alcohol till 2am at the stores. Seems simple enough to me, if they are able to buy the alcohol at the store then they are less liable to be going out to bars to drink and driving him piss drunk. I dunno...maybe it wouldn't work but it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.
     
  3. gr8-1

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    I would guess heath would want to kill all convicted pot smokers?
     
  4. Heretic

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    We waste so much goddamned money every year on non-violent drug offenders.


    We lost the war on drugs.

    Face it, quit funding it.
     
  5. johnheath

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    Have you been beaten by a stupid-stick? What is the source of that statement?

    If I were in charge, I would take the majority at their word, and truly conduct a "War on Drugs".

    The FACTS are that whites in America use the most drugs on a PER CAPITA basis. The average illegal drug user is a middle class white male from the South or the Midwest.

    Attacking the supply side in the Drug War has failed, so I would attack the demand side. This means police officers would have to hit middle and upper middle class America, and start kicking down some damn doors.

    Once middle class white kids are dragged off to jail, the electorate will vote to legalize drugs in a year.

    In this case, equality will finally be achieved.
     
  6. arkoe

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    Can we stop enforcing speed limits while we're at it?
     
  7. Roc Paint

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    I am glad I'm not a statistic.
     
  8. SpaceCity

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    johnheath,
    I was getting ready to attack your plan until I reached the second to last sentence.

    You just may be on to something!
     
  9. ArtV

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    724K is really not that many when you consider the US population. I don't see that we've lost the war but it is a war that we will never win - BUT - we must keep fighting.

    As a previous long-time, heavy drug user, I can attest that drugs are not something to be legalized. Do you want to legalize PCP? Heroin? If you don't care, you've never had much experience with hard drugs then.

    And yes - pot is a gateway drug. I know there are some who stopped there but most will move up to hash, hash oil, x, crank, ludes, acid, etc because most dealers carry more than 1 item and like shopping at Wal-mart you may go in for 1 thing, but walk out with more.

    I've had this discussion with my dad many times. And my conclusion is there are 2 parties that want to legalize drugs: Those who are doing drugs now and want them cheaper and a steady supply or those who have never done serious drugs.

    If you want to give up - make them all free. After the morgues fill up from ODs, etc - maybe then people will realize what sounds so corny - drugs kill.

    I say keep fighting but realize there will never be a winner.
     
  10. Rockets2K

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    You are thje only one that has argued the "gateway" effect the right way. It isnt that pot makes you want to try harder drugs, it is that you get exposed to people who have or are doing harder drugs, In that case some would become interested in tryin a "better" high, which leads to them trying hard drugs.
    Using that as a precept, do you realize that if pot were legal, people would not be exposed to the dealers that might offer them harder drugs since they could just buy a pack of spliffs at the store.

    most people like to argue that pot *makes* you want to try hard drugs, that simply, in my experience, is not the case. I personally never had the inclination to try PCP, heroin, crank, X or crack. but Im not saying that others have been the same way...that was just my own personal morality in that situation.

    and you also know that hash is not technically a hard drug right? It has always been my understanding that hash was basically compressed pot. but the details were never that clear, if you have other information, I would like to hear it.


    btw, most people that I have heard that are for legalization are just for legalizing pot...not the harder drugs.
     
  11. A-Train

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    Eric Schlosser!

    He also wrote this book, probabably my favorite non-fiction book

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  12. KingCheetah

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    Drugs, illegal workers, and p*rn the only things keeping the Bush economy afloat. :p
     
  13. Vengeance

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    Holy crap johnheath, I think we may agree on something. I'm not necessarily in favor of legalization of all drugs or anything like that, but the simple fact is that the "war on drugs" is a complete joke.
     
  14. DCkid

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    Idiots. It doesn't seem like mar1juana use would be that tough too hide. A.) you don't do it in public, where everyone can smell that nasty stench. B.) you don't smoke while driving. C.) You don't speed or run stop signs/stoplights when you have it in your car. D.) You don't smoke it at your home while holding a block party for hundreds of people with the stereo turned up to eleven causing your neighbors to call the cops.

    If these 724,000 idiots would just follow these four simple rules, the taxpayer's burden for the war on drugs would drop significantly, and the aura of illegality would still remain, keeping the use of illegal drugs relatively in check. It's these careless, selfish, ****ing morons who are ruining it for everyone.
     
  15. A-Train

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    [​IMG]

    NOW you tell me!!
     
  16. RocketMan Tex

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    I agree. By the same token, if rich white men got pregnant, abortion would be legal, safe, and available in every medical clinic in the United States.
     
  17. Mrs. JB

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    It could happen.
     
  18. DCkid

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    Damn, you're funny. :D
     
  19. 3fingeredgus

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    My take is this. Why should I have a problem if my neighbors are engaging in an activity that does not hurt anyone but themselves and vice versa? As long as I am not violating anyone else's rights, I should be able to do whatever I choose. I believe that people over the age of 18 should be allowed to buy mar1juana legally. I agree that if we could purchase this in stores, the exposure to other harder drugs would be drastically reduced and pot wouldn't get the 'gateway' tag. I've smoked for 10 years now and haven't wanted to do pcp or crank or other hard drugs.. Its a shame that prisons release rapists to make room for non-violent drug offenders.
     
  20. ima_drummer2k

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    Dammit, spitting coffee on keyboard again! LOL
     

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