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$700 Billion in Democratic Promises, 50% Tax Rates

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  1. Joshaaronb

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    $700 Billion in Democratic Promises, 50% Tax Rates
    Democratic Promises Carry High Price Tag

    Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:39 PM

    By: Rod Proctor

    Talk may be cheap, but the cost to keep promises made by Democratic candidates could top $700 billion and push individual tax rates above 50 percent for the first time since the 1986 Reagan tax reform, fiscal experts warn.

    In fact, a Democratic sweep in 2008 could push America’s tax burden up to 7th highest in the developed world, up from 21st place, according to researchers at the nonpartisan Tax Foundation.

    “If Democrats control everything after 2008, there will be a substantial tax increase,” Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia tells Newsmax. “Most or all of the Bush tax cuts will be allowed to expire and tax rates may be increased besides.”

    The largest hike in federal spending would come from Democrats’ plans to extend health coverage to 47 million uninsured U.S. residents.

    Hillary Clinton’s plan, according to her campaign, would add about $110 billion a year to the federal budget.

    Barak Obama’s plan, say Harvard University experts, would cost between $50 billion and $65 billion a year. John Edwards’s health care plan, according to an Emory University study, could run up to $145 billion a year.

    Democrats across the board are also pitching college tuition subsidies with an annual price tag of up to $30 billion. And their promises don’t stop there. Most candidates have pledged new programs in federally funded areas such as primary education, roads and bridges, and energy.

    All told, the Democratic platform could cost more than $700 billion over four years.

    “I have a million ideas,” Clinton tells the Boston Globe, “and the country can’t afford them all.”

    On that point, even Clinton’s critics agree with her.

    “It is pretty clear that more spending programs have been promised out of repealing the top Bush tax cuts than [the] repeal would be able to fund,” Nate Bailey of the Tax Foundation tells Newsmax. “It’s almost certain that funding all of these proposed programs would require massive tax hikes, the scale of which the U.S. has never seen.

    President Bush’s tax cuts of 2001 and 2003, which amount to some $188 billion in tax relief per year, are set to expire beginning in 2010. A Democratically-controlled Congress appears intent on allowing that to happen once the Bush veto threat vanishes, experts note.

    Last month, Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, offered a taste of what’s to come. Rangel set out a series of tax goals – something he termed “the mother of all tax reforms” – hinged on the expiration of the Bush cuts.

    Acknowledging that his plan has no chance as long as Bush is in the White House, Rangel said he’s first going after the unpopular Alternative Minimum Tax – a measure passed in 1969 to ensure the most wealthy would not be entirely insulated from paying taxes.

    The AMT has never been tied to inflation. As a result, it now threatens to ensnare some 20 million middle-class taxpayers. In recent years, Congress has enacted annual “patches” to exclude middle-class families.

    Rangel backed the patches again this year — offset by higher taxes on hedge-fund and private-equity managers — but said in 2009 he wanted to scrap the AMT entirely in favor of new taxes aimed squarely at the wealthiest Americans

    “We should try to look at the disparity that exists between middle income and those that are more fortunate in income and try to spread the tax relief,” Rangel said in a press conference.

    Rangel would also like to tack a 4-percent surtax on families making more than $200,000 per year and scale back cuts on capital gains taxes enacted under Bush.

    The top Republican on the Ways and Means Committee, Rep. Jim McCrery of Louisiana, recently told Bloomberg News that the combined effect ending the Bush cuts and adding the surtax would result in a $3.5 trillion tax hike over 10 years.

    Political commentator and Newsmax columnist Dick Morris, writes that a Democratic sweep would bring “mammoth tax increases” that would “be horrific and probably trigger a recession.”

    What some call “horrific,” however, others, like Hillary Clinton, term merely “sacrifice.”

    Pushed by Tim Russert at the recent Democratic debate to explain her position on the Rangel tax proposals, Clinton responded that, “we’ve not been asked to sacrifice anything. You know, young men and women wearing the uniform of our country are dying and being maimed. We have the average American family losing a thousand dollars in income, and George Bush and his cronies can’t figure out how they can give even more tax cuts to the wealthiest of Americans.”

    When Russert pressed further, implying she had expressed support for Rangel’s 4-percent tax surcharge and his plans for the AMT, she demurred.

    “No, I didn’t say that. I said that I’m in favor of doing something about the AMT. How we do it and how we put the package together everybody knows is extremely complicated.

    “There are a lot of moving pieces here,” Clinton said. “I’m not going to get committed to a specific approach, but I applaud Chairman Rangel for beginning the conversation.”

    Obama, asked a similar question by Russert, spoke of a “10,000-page tax code that is rife with corporate loopholes.”

    “There’s a building in the Cayman Islands that supposedly houses 12,000 U.S. corporations, which means it is either the largest building in the world or the biggest tax ripoff in the world, and I think we know which one it is.”

    Sabato, author of “A More Perfect Constitution: 23 Proposals to Revitalize Our Constitution,” believes taxes will be a cornerstone of the coming Republican campaign.

    “The tax issue is one of the best Republicans will have for 2008,” he tells Newsmax. “It unifies the disparate wings of the GOP, and it targets a very real vulnerability among Democrats. This is one of their few bright spots
     
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    Who's Rod Proctor, and why is he spelling Barack Obama's name wrong?
     
  3. danny317

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    another $700B... man we need to spend less, not more... i can see where spending more is ok if it is to invest in the future (like the tuition assistance...) but we need to tighten the belt as much as possible.
     
  4. kpsta

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    Where's the link to this anyway?
     
  5. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    The thought of giving 50% of my income to the government for them to waste is repugnant. People need to wake up to the fact that the Democratic candidates ALL plan to reach their greedy hands into your pockets and pull out your hard-earned money.
     
  6. TeamUSA

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    tax the rich.
     
  7. Yaozer

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    Ron Paul anyone?



    I keed, I keed.
     
  8. jo mama

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    you say this while you continue to support the biggest fiscal liberal this country has ever had as president.

    NO CRED!
     
  9. Zac D

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    Haha. Looks like to get the $700 billion number, they're combining all the spending plans of all the Democratic candidates. So if Hilackohnis Richidenoddel wins...

    HOLD ON TO YOUR WALLETS
     
  10. Major

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    Sadly, that is apparently the better option than what Republicans suggest, and the leadership they have shown. This is the direct result of Republicans love of spending tax dollars and their inability to do anything to slow the growth of SS or Medicare during their 6 years of total control of the House, Senate, and Presidency. They failed to lead, so now they are on the verge of being kicked out to try something else.
     
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    ^^^ please support this claim that this proposed dramatic tax hike is a 'better option'. Actually let me save you some time: You can't.
     
  12. Major

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    The option the GOP has offered is running a huge debt and doing nothing to solve the problem. The GOP had 6 years to demonstrate otherwise and completely and miserably failed.
     
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    Why don't they just follow the Bush model and cut taxes and borrow to pay for their bureaucracy?
     
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    I really have a hard time with all of this.

    On one hand, I think there are things we should be doing a better job with...particularly health care. And I recognize it comes with a price tag.

    On the other hand...I think we're heading for a significant downturn in the economy. And I'm not thrilled with the idea of adding a bunch of taxes on top of that. I think that would prove detrimental.
     
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    I tend to agree. In general, I'm a huge fan of split government for this exact reason - I don't like one party being able to implement their extreme solutions to any issues. On the other hand, the current GOP and their lack of interest in compromise of any sort is no better. In the 90s, the two parties really figured out how to work together at common sense changes, but I don't know how well that's going to work in today's poisoned environment.

    Ultimately, I think a Dem president means the Bush tax cuts expire for wealthy but stay for the middle/lower class. I don't think it has any real negative impact on the economy as a whole. But, for example, I don't like that Obama's solution to fixing SS is just extending income level through which you pay taxes. That might work in the near term, but it doesn't in any way solve the fundamental issues there. There needs to be some real, comprehensive reform to these things and no one seems interested.

    This is one reason why I'm really hoping somehow Bloomberg would run and create a centrist coalition. There's maybe an 0.5% chance of him winning, but I'd love to see him try.
     
  17. B-Bob

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    Once again, it's sad that an unreferenced, unlinked, misleading bit of propaganda has many intelligent people taking this "issue" seriously.

    Look at the last 30 years to see what party spends what while in office. Seriously. Look at Reagan, Bush, and Bush budgets. Look at Carter and Clinton budgets. Not even close. Who spent us into our enormous national debt? Seriously, what executives did it? (That's a rhetorical question.)

    And as someone pointed out, the $700 billion number is fictional because it assume MANY SIMULTANEOUS DEMOCRATS running MANY simultaneous federal governments.

    Um, that's not going to happen. Would be entertaining, but I dare say it's impossible.

    Still waiting for the link and the source.
     
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    I love those cartoons...
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    The last big tax hikes were done under Bush 41 in 1990 and Clinton in 1993 and the great economic boom of the late 90's can be partially attributed to those. Bringing some fiscal sanity brough lower interests rates and more captital into the US economy. The problem with what we are having now is that the current admin. has completely bought into Keynesian economics which is unsustainable. In the end whether there is more spending or not some sanity will have to be brought to the government's balance sheet.
     
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    the tax cuts, however, displayed supply side economics as well.
     

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