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[60 Minutes] Valerie Plame...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tigermission1, Oct 21, 2007.

  1. tigermission1

    tigermission1 Member

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    This is the first interview she has done since her cover was blown. I, for one, am interested to hear what she thinks, seems like we've heard from everyone else but her thus far..
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    For the record any of the anti-Plame people who intend to respond, please remember the last several discussions we've had. I will list the usual list of items that are often brought up and already been debunked numerous times.

    Anti-Plame claim - The 9/11 panel found that Joe Wilson's support actually did support the idea that Iraq was buying Uranium from Niger.

    The truth - That remark was made by a partisan member of the panel in his own personal comments and do not represent a finding of the panel. It is in his own personal footnotes. The congressman also provides no evidence to support his claim.

    So please don't bring that up again.

    Also Plame was actually undercover at the time, as has been brought out the CIA, Independent council, etc. Unless you have new evidence please don't rehash this debunked claim. It gets old debunking the same claim over and over again only to have people run away from the thread once their "evidence" has been debunked and never come back. Then they reappear later and act as if it never happened, and trot out the same old debunked arguments.
     
  3. Lil Pun

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    I'd hit it.
     
  4. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy

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    Um, yeah she is pretty hot.

    :eek:
     
  5. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    She is very attractive especially even more so considering she is 44. Maybe all spies are hot.
     
  6. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy

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    I bet she was smoking 20 years ago.
     
  7. basso

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    /sayeth the community-based reality
     
  8. ROXRAN

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    I'm bringing it up against the partisan-champion Plame...From a cited article I have brought up before...Please heed that:

    None of the new information suggests Iraq ever nailed down a deal to buy uranium, and the Senate report makes clear that US intelligence analysts have come to doubt whether Iraq was even trying to buy the stuff. In fact, both the White House and the CIA long ago conceded that the 16 words shouldn’t have been part of Bush’s speech.

    But what he said – that Iraq sought uranium – is just what both British and US intelligence were telling him at the time. So Bush may indeed have been misinformed, but that's not the same as lying.

    http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html

    furthermore, recollect that: The Butler report said British intelligence had "credible" information -- from several sources -- that a 1999 visit by Iraqi officials to Niger was for the purpose of buying uranium:

    Butler Report: It is accepted by all parties that Iraqi officials visited Niger in 1999. The British Government had intelligence from several different sources indicating that this visit was for the purpose of acquiring uranium. Since uranium constitutes almost three-quarters of Niger’s exports, the intelligence was credible.

    The Butler Report affirmed what the British government had said about the Niger uranium story back in 2003, and specifically endorsed what Bush said as well.

    Be aware that the nature of why Wilson's motives may have backfired due to his findings is due to the fact that: The Senate report said Wilson brought back denials of any Niger-Iraq uranium sale, and argued that such a sale wasn't likely to happen..... But the Intelligence Committee report also reveals that Wilson brought back something else as well -- evidence that Iraq may well have wanted to buy uranium.
    Wilson reported that he had met with Niger's former Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki, who said that in June 1999 he was asked to meet with a delegation from Iraq to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between the two countries.

    Based on what Wilson told them, CIA analysts wrote an intelligence report saying former Prime Minister Mayki "interpreted 'expanding commercial relations' to mean that the (Iraqi) delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales."

    In fact, the Intelligence Committee report said that "for most analysts" Wilson's trip to Niger "lent more credibility to the original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reports on the uranium deal."

    Expanding commercial relations is all about imports and exports...chances are imports have an almost 75% chance of being uranium to Iraq...That much is evident and part of the rationale of a checkmark/evidence...
     
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  9. Rocket River

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    at 44 she could probably kick the sh*t out of most of us here too

    Rocket River
    I figure a spy gotta be able to kick a lil *ss
     
  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Just a partisan attention w**** trying to sell some books... What struck me was her lack of intelligence...

    What a manufactured controversy all this was. Fortunately, no one was meaningfully punished for this 'incident'. Joe Wilson shouldn't have been over there in the first place -- his involvement was purely nepotism by Plame herself. What a joke all of this was.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    I didn't mention not bringing up the Butler report. That is fine. The Brits are sticking by that one report. It's just that every single American report including the one by Joseph Wilson, the U.S. intel gave no credit to the reports.

    But the part you bolded is the part I referenced above. The Senate committee did in no way find that Wilson's trip lent more credibility to it. That was the part that one GOP congressman added in his own comments and not a finding of the committee at large or any evidence presented before it.

    Anything that says that the report found that, has been suckered. Look at the report itself. IT has been posted here, and that part will come in the commentary and is from only one person, and not the committee in general.
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    Sayeth the reality of the Senate Intel report which you've posted several times, and then disappeared once it was brought up that the only part of the report which gives credit to the idea that Wilson bolstered the claim, comes from one partisan person in his own personal commentary at the end of the report.

    You've never stuck around a debate long enough to acknowledge that, and provide nothing new regarding it now.
     
  13. mc mark

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    Doesn't matter what the idiot apologists here say blade. They got what they wanted. An illegal war and they're on to the next one.

    But I did find what she said interesting about how the president said he would fire anyone involved and we know there were at least four. And all kept their jobs (well except for Scooter, but we know how that ended, covering the ass of the criminal Cheney).
     
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  14. jo mama

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    didnt she testify under oath that she was undercover at the time. if she wasnt shouldnt she be put on trial for perjury?

    and yes, she is really foxy.
     
  15. surrender

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    definite MILF
     
  16. jo mama

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    i would like to know who basso thinks is hotter - plame or (m)ann coulter?
     
  17. Mr. Clutch

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  18. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    The clearly superior segment of this thread is the one about how hot she is. Everything else is incredibly stale and boring. That is all.
     
  19. HayesStreet

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    It isn't an illegal war. But I was suprised that she is hot. I guess she's a spy and all though, so...

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  20. jo mama

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    can anyone who still says she wasnt undercover help me here? can i assume you have written your elected representatives to demand that they pursue her for perjury?

    "In French she would be called 'la renarde' and she would be hunted with only her cunning to protect her."

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