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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Xerobull, Jul 15, 2020.

  1. Xerobull

    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    That's your mom's specialty.
     
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    I am interested in printing car parts. Obviously it'd be more for the plastic stuff that breaks inside the car and not engine parts, but this is what I'm talking about:

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15340711/fine-print-3d-printed-replacement-car-parts-are-coming/

    Like on an older car could save a lot and... While it's a grey area I'm sure someone is already selling parts like this. I'd be doing it more for my own use and not a business selling parts, but this could eventually be my justification for buying a 3d printer. On some cars these silly plastic parts can easily add up to the cost the printer.

    Obviously I can goto the junkyard but if this saves me time it's worth it.
     
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  3. Xerobull

    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    Car parts are one of the boxes I had in mind when I bought a 3D printer, but I'm not a car enthusiast or collector.

    The types of printers we've been talking about so far in this thread are FDM (Fused Deposition Modeling). The biggest issue you're going to run into with these printers is fine detail and the parts are never going to be completely smooth because the printer builds the parts in layers. You're going to have to either sand the parts or finish them in some other way. If it's some obscure color you're going to have to paint them. In both cases classic car snobs might not love the end result. But it's a marketing/sales game at that point.

    There are a couple of other types of printer, not as common, that MUCH better looking prints because it's done with a liquid. The issue here will be color.

    Here's a great article on different types of 3D Printers: https://all3dp.com/1/types-of-3d-printers-3d-printing-technology/
     
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  4. Xerobull

    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    Note- this article and video are very boring. So I made this funny pitcher.

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    CAN A 3D PRINTER PRINT BETTER FILAMENT FOR ITSELF?
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    3D printed parts are generally no way near the strength of an equivalent injection moulded part and techniques such as a sustained heat treatment, though effective usually distort the part beyond use.

    [CNC Kitchen] was investigating the results of a recent paper, that described a novel ABS filament reinforced by a “star” shaped Polycarbonate core, an arrangement the authors claim is resilient to deformation during the annealing process often necessary to increase part strength. While the researchers had access to specialised equipment needed to manufacture such a composite material, [CNC Kitchen’s] solution of simply using his dual extruder setup to directly print the required hybrid filament is something we feel, strongly resonates with the now old school, RepRap “print your printer” sentiment.



    The printed filament seems to have reasonable dimensional accuracy and passing the printed spool through a heater block without the nozzle attached, ensured there would be no obvious clogs. The rest of the video focuses on a very thorough comparison of strength and deformation between the garden variety Polycarbonate, ABS and this new hybrid filament after the annealing process. Although he concludes with mixed results, just being able to combine and print your own hybrid filament is super cool and a success in its own right!

    Interested in multi-material filaments? Check out our article on a more conventional approach which does not involve printing it yourself!






     
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  5. Exiled

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    you buy ender3, you do upgrade to glass bed, auto level, improved extruder , rasp4 and you won't notice any improvements, it's a single z-axis (rail), needs to be leveled each time you start printing.

    the thing worth learning is fusion360 and mold casting imho
     
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  7. Xerobull

    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    Resin printing is where it's at for high res printing.

    Disagree with you 100% that you won't see improvements with upgrades. Direct drive modification and Klipper make a big difference on the print quality.

    What I'm seeing is that at this point, hobby 3d printing is more art than plug and play. You have to get a feel for how to set up each model for your particular hardware in the slicer software. Speed, infill, etc etc all make a difference and it's different on each print.

    I will take a look at Fusion360. I'm not ready to jump in to the CAD portion yet as it's another timesuck that I need to budget time for, but I already have some requests for prints from my wife that will take some CAD work.
     
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  8. Exiled

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    to PLA filament, little to no difference, resin prints is limited to size,stinks, good for miniature.
    we use high end 3d printers at work for some medical application, multi- filament, enclosed environment control etc bc it's tax payers money. When it comes to my personal money,
    a slicer program ( tweaks) will do just fine. Marlin II flash upgrade is free ,a noisy pld motors belong to the garage,not worth any upgrade for me

    I brought the printer for my kids during covid, Prisma on tablet and,fusion360 for PC, blender under Linux , they surprised me with how they mastered quickly some complex designs with ease
     
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  9. Xerobull

    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    That's great feedback.

    Agree, kids are amazing at picking up new ideas. No preconceived notions and less muscle memory to change.
     
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    I have a Prusa SL1 and creality 10s pro v2.
    Prusa is super easy to use. Great company and product. Creality takes a lot of tinkering, bed leveling etc. still haven’t figured it out completely.

    Waiting for Prusa XL for my good filament printer.
     
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    Really cool topic and discussion. I work for a printer manufacturer (we built industrial SLS style printers years ago and still manufacture the print head used in many 3D printers). I have toyed with the idea of buying an entry-level printer to play with and make replacement parts for my cars. You folks have provided a good head start on that... thanks!!
     
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  12. Xerobull

    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    Crazy deal:

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    $10 each when you buy 10 1kg rolls of PLA+ 3D Printer Filament $100 for 10 @GST3D.com! FREE SHIPPING!

    https://gst3d.com/product/limited-time-offer/

    Limit 10

    All colors:

    Light Blue #29B6F6, Blue – #1565C0, Violet – #6B37C2, Brown – #4E343E, Army Green – #003000, Apple Green – #489F33, Red – #F91B4B, Orange – #FF582D, Pink – #FF6596, Yellow – #FFEE59, Crystal – #NNNNNN, White – #FFFFFF, Black – #000000, Gold – #AD964E, Silver – #8A9597, Fluorescent Orange – #FF7B15, Fluorescent Green – #C6FF00, Fluorescent Yellow – #FFEE00, Mustard – #EED269

    Precision +/- 0,01 MM

    Diameter: 1,75 mm

    Weight: 1 Kg / 2,2 Lbs

    Printing temperature: 180°C – 220°C

    Heated bed: 40 – 60°C

    RoHS Compliant
     
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    3D PRINTER INCEPTION

     
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  15. Dr of Dunk

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    @Xerobull

    Here you go ... your next 3D printer : https://www.sq4d.com/
    This is actually pretty cool and useful, I guess, if it catches on. Well, I guess -- haven't read much about it.
     
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  16. Xerobull

    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    They’re getting the layering down nice. They could grind the level squish and it would look smooth.
     
  17. Dr of Dunk

    Dr of Dunk Clutch Crew

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    That's the first thing I said when I saw that, but I think that's just for the structure. I saw some other walls of the finished product and it looks like they may just put drywall over it or smooth it out.

    Here's the house : https://www.zillow.com/homes/34-Millbrook-Ln-Riverhead,-NY,-11901_rb/2075583035_zpid/

     
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    MIT DEVELOPS NEW PLANT-BASED 3D PRINTING MATERIAL THAT’S “TOUGH AS BONE AND HARD AS ALUMINUM”

    PAUL HANAPHY FEBRUARY 18TH 2022 - 1:09PM 0 0
    Researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) have come up with a novel plant-derived 3D printable composite that could pave the way for the sustainable production practices of the future.

    Concocted from a mixture of synthetic plastic and cellulose nanocrystals (CNCs), chains of organic polymers found naturally in plantlife, the material has a highly-reinforced brick-and-mortar structure, akin to that of a mollusk’s inner shell.

    By pushing the CNC content of this composite as high as 90%, the team has managed to fortify it to the point that they say it’s “tougher than some types of bone and harder than typical aluminum.” In doing so, the engineers have also significantly reduced the material’s petrol content, thus it could now unlock the more sustainable 3D printing or casting of parts with as-yet-unseen properties.

    “By creating composites with CNCs at high loading, we can give polymer-based materials mechanical properties they never had before,” says A. John Hart, a Professor of Mechanical Engineering at MIT. “If we can replace some petroleum-based plastic with naturally-derived cellulose, that’s arguably better for the planet as well.”

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    By integrating high quantities of CNCs into their material, the team were able to provide it with patterns akin to those of a mollusk shell. Image via MIT.
    Unlocking the potential of CNCs

    Inside every wood cell is a matrix made from cellulose, the natural world’s most abundant polymer, and each of these fibers contains reinforcing CNCs. Even though such CNCs feature polymer chains arranged into crystalline patterns, which at a nanoscale make them stronger than Kevlar, cellulose itself is most commonly turned into paper, or used in the food, cosmetic or textile industries.

    Due to their attractive mechanical properties, a significant amount of research is now being poured into the extraction of CNCs using acid hydrolysis, with the aim of using them to fortify synthetic plastics. According to the MIT team, however, prior researchers have only been able to incorporate low concentrations of cellulose into other materials, as they tend to clump and bond weakly with polymeric molecules.

    To overcome these drawbacks, engineers at MIT have therefore formulated a novel material, by mixing CNCs into an epoxy oligomer and photoinitiator, at a ratio that sees them turn into a gel. The idea being, to develop a nano-composite, with a consistency that allows it to be fed through a 3D printing nozzle or poured into a mold to be cast, without having any of the lumps that cause poor plastic cohesion.

    “We basically deconstructed wood, and reconstructed it,” explains Abhinav Rao, PhD, one of the researchers on the project. “We took the best components of wood, which is cellulose nanocrystals, and reconstructed them to achieve a new composite material.”

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    To showcase the dental applications of their material, the MIT team 3D printed it into a cellulose-based tooth model. Image via MIT.
    A tough nanocomposite to crack

    When the MIT researchers examined their new material under a microscope, they found it was characterized by a pattern similar to that of nacre, the tough biomineral which lines the inner side of some mollusk shells. Thanks to its ‘zig-zag’ microstructure, and CNC-loading of up to 90%, the team theorized that their cellulose-based composite could be printed or molded into highly-durable forms.

    In order to test this hypothesis, the engineers went on to feed the gel into a DIW Hyrel 3D Engine SRprinter fitted with a pneumatic extruder, which deposited it into 0.5mm-layered parts, before curing, drying and polishing them ahead of testing.

    Interestingly, results showed that the gel shrank upon extrusion by 80%, something the team has attributed to solvent evaporation during initial drying. Yet, between the drying and thermal curing steps, they found the material could be molded with far less shrinkage, and that using a probe sonicator to disperse CNCs into the gel, was also a highly-effective means of unifying them with polymers.

    Similarly, during ‘scratch’ assessments, in which the researchers attempted to deliberately crack their penny-sized prototypes, they discovered they were unable to, due to the way their composite’s cellulose grains were arranged.

    Moving forwards, the engineers believe these strength characteristics, as well as the molding and printing compatibility of their material, could lend it applications in the production of cellulose-based dental implants, or even larger eco-friendly parts, although they add that they’d need to perfect its shrinkage to make this possible.

    “If you could avoid shrinkage, you could keep scaling up, maybe to the meter scale,” adds Rao. “Then, if we were to dream big, we could replace a significant fraction of plastics with cellulose composites.”

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    Wood-based 3D printing became more commercialized last year after Desktop Metal launched its Forust brand. Photo via Forust.
    Emerging wood-based biomaterials

    Although wood isn’t currently widely-used within 3D printing, a significant amount of research is now being poured into unlocking their potential as an alternative to petroleum-based polymers. Last year, for instance, a different team from MIT came up with lab-grown wood cells that they theorized could be 3D printed into household furniture.

    Likewise, researchers at the University of Freiburghave also developed a new 3D printable wood-based biomaterial, composed of both lignin and cellulose balls. Designed to address light construction or industrial applications, the team’s plant-laced crystalline polymers have proven capable of forming supramolecular networks in parts, albeit at the expense of the solidity needed for scalable usage.

    Elsewhere, on a more commercial level, Desktop Metal has launched Forust, a wood-based binder jetting brand, focused on turning waste byproducts into end-use components. By mixing sawdust and lignin into a bio-epoxy resin composite, the firm now enables architects, designers and manufacturers to 3D print custom eco-friendly architecture using Desktop Metal systems.

    The researchers’ findings are detailed in their paper titled “Printable, castable, nanocrystalline cellulose-epoxy composites exhibiting hierarchical nacre-like toughening,” which was co-authored by Abhinav Rao, Thibaut Divoux, Crystal E. Owens and A. John Hart.
     
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    Are the 3D printers just talking, or talking intelligently? Either way, some awesomeness. Because their takeover of the world would be most unexpected.
     

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