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Title Teams can only afford to have 1 Non-Shooter in their Rotation

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sen89, Jun 10, 2026 at 1:47 PM.

  1. Sen89

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    The 3 Championship-Level Teams this year all have only one non-shooter in their 8-10 man playoff rotation. Take it back a few years, and this is also true of the recent champions (24-25 OKC, 23-24 BOS, 22-23 DEN), they all had 0 or 1 non-shooter in their rotation.

    25-26 SAS: Everyone is a threat to shoot besides Kornet (13mpg in playoffs). 2nd worst shooter in rotation is Castle (33% on ~5att/36 in RS).
    25-26 NYK: Everyone is a threat to shoot besides M.Robinson (14mpg in playoffs). 2nd worst shooter in rotation is Clarkson (33% on 6att/36 in RS).
    25-26 OKC: Everyone was a threat to shoot besides Hartenstein (23mpg in playoffs). 2nd worst shooter in rotation was Caruso (30% on 6att/36 in RS), but he shot incredibly well in the playoffs.
    24-25 OKC*: Everyone was a threat to shoot besides Hartenstein (22mpg in playoffs). 2nd worst shooter in rotation was Wallace (35% on ~4att/36 in RS).
    23-24 BOS*: Everyone was a threat to shoot besides Kornet (10mpg in playoffs). 2nd worst shooter in rotation was J.Brown (36% on 6att/36 in RS).
    22-23 DEN*: Everyone was some threat to shoot, two worst shooters were J.Green (29% on ~4att/36) and Braun (35% on ~3att/36). And they played 17mpg and 13mpg in the Playoffs.

    Adams does not and will never shoot, and Amen shoots 21% on 1.4att/36, while Sengun shoots 30% on 2att/36. If we trade for Giannis, we replace one of them with a guy who shoots 33% on 1.6att/36. And Amen played 44mpg while Sengun played 39mpg in the Playoffs this year. And this isn't even including Capela or DFS, the former being a non-shooter and the latter forgetting how to shoot.


    The best teams play most of the game with 5 threats to shoot the 3, and might play a non-shooting C for 20mpg at most. So at worst they have 4 shooters in the game, and that's generally only for 1/4th or 1/3rd of the game.

    For most of the game, we play 2 or 3 non-shooters, which is so horribly outdated in the current league. Something needs to change (for the record I love Amen and even Adams, and still like Sengun). But keeping them together is not going to work, and trading for Giannis is not the answer either.
     
  2. Aruba77

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    I still think u can get away with 2 non-shooters IF they do multiple elite non-shooting things (must defend), AND IF the other 3 are elite shooters. So I’m talking about way better than Bari-level.

    The rockets are very far away from this. One of our two non-shooters can’t defend. And we only have 2 elite shooters. One of them is super old and the other may only be a role player if he can’t learn to dribble at a high level.
     
  3. StrawberryJamm

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    Alex Caruso shot 29% from 3, Hartenstein didn’t make 1. The shooter counter police didn’t show up.

    Draymond and Looney weren’t lighting it up from downtown.

    We’re going to spend 4 years counting shooters and refuse to spend 5 seconds counting how many fast coordinated athletes are on the court for the good teams.

    Robert Horry hasn’t won a championship in 20 years.
     
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    even the Bucks had to put a shooting big next to Giannis in Brook Lopez, and Giannis was far more dominant as a scorer than the likes of Amen/Sengun

    Rockets play multiple weak shooters and total non-shooters

    no team is even worried about Amen/Sengun/Tari/Okogie/Tate/Adams shooting from the outside…I don’t think they care that much about Jabari either, he’s average at best

    that’s 70% of a 10 man rotation
     
  5. MystikArkitect

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    Castle wouldn't be allowed to shoot under Ime.

    Neither would Fox.

    Harper would be getting tacos by Brownsville.
     
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  6. J.R.

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    “Everyone is a threat to shoot besides their center.”

    CF: THE ROCKETS CENTER NEEDS TO LEARN TO SHOOT, NOT BEN SIMMONS! BUILD AROUND BEN SIMMONS!

    Funny people. They don’t want this guy or that guy because he shoots 30%-35% from three and “he sucks” but they’re also like Ameiz is untouchable and we need to build around him. If 30-35% is “awful”, what is Ameiz’s 21%?

    Sorry, y’all’s boy Ameiz needs to learn how to shoot. Bottom line. Point blank. Period. Or sell high and trade him before you have to pay him $40M. ;)

    But but but his defense! Shove the D where the sun don’t shine.

    And no, we can’t just “move him to the dunker spot where he excels”. He needs to learn how to shoot. Not be Mr. Mini Run-&-Dunk.

    Guess I gotta cross Castle off. Coulibaly too. (32% on 3.6A)
    From February

     
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  7. Sen89

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    Caruso has shot 36.5% for his career and just shot 44.6% for the playoffs (41.1% last year). He's not a shooting liability when it counts, he just had an uncharacteristically slow shooting start to the year.

    On 21-22 GS, Draymond was a 30% 3point shooter and yes, Looney was a non-shooter but GS is the obvious exception to the rule, with two of the best high-volume 3-point shooters ever, including the best himself.

    And 20-21 Milwaukee also qualifies for this. Giannis was the worst shooter (30% on about 4att/game), but he was also the most dominant paint scorer in the league, and probably the best 2-way player at the time. Nobody else on that rotation wasn't at least a threat.

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    Arguably the 2 biggest things you must check off to build an elite rotation is to fill it with capable shooters and guys who won't be defensive liabilities late in the playoffs (aka switchable defenders).
     
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    Not just shooting, we don't have a true creator on the entire roster.

    DD
     
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    Please define non-shooter.
     
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    We have a team full of low-IQ bricklayers

    I think there are bigger problems.
     
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    Amen is non shooter but still finds a way to contribute in other ways. Senguns defense makes him unplayable because he can't defe
     
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    Its been like this. We are in a weak link era.
     
  13. Joe Willie

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    Never seen a team with so many guys who have virtually no finishing ability.
     
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    It’s a valid concern, I just have Sengun/Amen’s 3 point shooting like 6th on the list.

    I think there’s some age development potential for Senguns 3 ball.

    I think they could get much more creative in the half court using Amen as a screener.

    I think they could drastically increase the running and transition opportunities and play in the half court less if we had 3 fast shooters instead of 3 slow shooters.

    like if we had:

    Cade
    VJ Edgecombe
    Amen
    OG Anunoby
    Sengun

    I wouldn’t count 2 non shooters and freak out.

    I think it’s understated, how much Giannis gets off the grab and go game, rebounds turning into quick buckets before defense can get set. He’s not doing it all in the half court. I see some of that in Amen, He was 2nd in league in dunks behind Evan Mobley this season.
     
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    Durant, JSJ, Tari, and Reed all graded as above average in off-ball perimeter gravity last season with Durant and Reed as elite gravity. Sengun was slightly above average as well, but that is because he "sets" picks. Tari did drop to slightly below average in the playoffs, so he's a below-average playoff player, btu one should expect teams have better shooters in the playoffs.

    Amen, Okogie, and Capela were all well below average. I suspect Sengun would be below average if he didn't play so much with Amen and Okogie. Adams did not meet minimum criteria. On perimeter, he only was guarded if he was going to set a pick.

    Basically, 50% of the 8-man rotation was not guarded except when setting picks (i.e, one center is usually okay). 9th man in minutes was guarded tightly. Not good, but not 70% either.
     
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    If Amen is setting a pick for the ballhandler, the center's man sags instead. The Rockets did look great when they played small ball without a center Amen's rookie year. I miss the Amen screens, but they won't work with Sengun, Adams, or Capela on the floor.
     
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    It just struck me that Ime is indeed playing 4D chess. Ime has understood the whole time that our roster construction is awful, and has countered that with equally awful rotations and play calling I.e. dual bigs to control the boards and options 1-3 are get the ball to your 37 year old and get out of the way.
     
  18. heypartner

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    What center? You mean if Amen picks for Sengun?

    Don’t complicate this. If Amen picks for FVV or Reed, he’s a classic roller just like Capela picking for Harden. There’s no difference. Same for Amen picking for Durant, just that Durant can’t make the pass. :(
     
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    This is all somewhat disingenuous. Caruso shoots 36.5% from 3 for his career and has to be respected out there, but even if he consistently shot 29% from 3 he would still be way more of a threat than Amen.

    And Looney was never on the floor during crunch time - Draymond was the center in the "death lineup". Now then, if you're arguing that Amen is a poor man's Draymond, I guess I can buy that. But what is that worth? Is that player worth $40 million a year in the aprons era?
     
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    Unfortunately the current iteration of the Rockets cannot afford the basketball luxury of having a non-offensive player like Draymond running around playing free safety.
     

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