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If LeBron had 6-9 rings would it improve his Legacy?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Futron, Aug 20, 2025 at 7:15 PM.

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If LeBron had 6-9 rings would it improve his Legacy?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Futron

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    First off,
    I’ll be honest.

    I believe Jordan is the GOAT due to the overall package of impact, stats, legacy, pioneer for some things etc. but for people that think LeBron, Wilt, Kareem, Bill Russell or anyone else I got no argument.

    This isn’t a Jordan vs. LeBron thread (I got no beef or hate with LeBron)
    although I fear it will turn into that.
    Whatever side you lie on is fine
    NOONE is changing their mind given the current situation

    My point is that like Brady, LeBron has properly managed his health to basically run up his numbers and stats to cement his records.
    As he should!

    But unlike Brady, he didn’t put up an upper echelon historic amount of championship wins.

    So it’s interesting in the sense of because to general consensus or people like me, the Dallas Finals Meltdown and some other decisions pretty much made it impossible for him to surpass MJ no matter what stats he put up.
    GOAT discussions should come down to splitting hairs.

    With that said, I don’t fault him or hold it against him for the spurs finals sweep or going against the Warriors with virtually no help. So that puts him in the Magic, Bird, Kareem area but even then he didn’t win as many rings as them.

    The point I’m getting at is while running up his stats to almost unreachable levels is cool, at some point I think it ironically hurts him. Because take for instance now, the league doesn’t have a super team and any team with a solid GM can be in a legitimate ring hunt,
    and While Bron lost a step, he’s still a good player, so he can’t use the excuse he’s going against the Warriors or Spurs anymore, so every season they fall short or he loses in 1st rd or miss playoffs kind of cancels out any new “stat “ he bypasses or cements.

    my question is if let’s say 1-3 seasons ago or even if by some miracle he could win 2 more rings before he retires, does it change the narrative to the AVERAGE person , not the LeBron haters or the LeBron super fans obviously

    Because then he would have the stats & records and the championship wins like Brady.

    I think previously it would have changed & improved his legacy
    But now I say no, because I don’t see a way he can win 1 more championship, let alone 2+ rings and it’s sad to not see a LeBron team as a legit contender.

    And even if by some miracle, he did then he wouldn’t be the sole primary reason (it would be Luka) and even then by no reason or blame to him (atleast as far as we know) it would be questionable given how Lakers obtained Luka similar to the “Bubble ring” which i honestly forget is a thing some people hold against him too.

    Basically now he’s a victim to his longevity.
     
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  2. Jontro

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    luka skywalker > lerbon jems
     
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  3. clos4life

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    More rings always improves your legacy. He stands at 4 which is a great number. His true legacy is his longevity and durability, dude is one of the rare few to barely ever be hurt and who still plays at a high level 20-something years into an NBA career, that's just crazy. That's why he already has so many records.

    Seriously, look at this list. He is top 10 in all of them but 2, both free throw and three point percentages. He has top spot in several of them as well. You can only achieve that by playing for as long as he has.

    https://www.nba.com/stats/alltime

    PS: I always laugh at the turnovers. I never understood why people ragged on Harden's high turnovers, all dominant ball handlers end up with a high level of turnovers.
     
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    If Lebron had more rings he would be the undisputed goat since most people look at MJ's 2 3 peats.

    However the eras Lebron and MJ are also vastly different Lebron played in the era of super teams and the talent level of the NBA reaching unprecedented highs. Its so much harder to win a ring now. I mean look at Jokic being far and away the most dominant player in the league for the last 7 yrs but only getting to the Finals once. In previous cases these guys reach finals at least. One guy cant warp the league by himself anymore.
     
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    LeBron James passed Jerry West in most Finals Appearances without a Championship. Your Question cancels itself.

    If Michael Jordan or Hakeem Olajuwon had that many Finals Appearances they would've won even more Championships.
     
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    This must be the longest offseason ever SMH
     
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    Yes without a doubt 6-9 rings would improve Lebron's legacy.

    What you're saying is though, the 'timing' of additional rings in the final career years, would only be 5-15% as impactful as prime years rings. Almost negligible to overall legacy. Because Bron's ironic good play at old age means it brings a 'no excuses" position. Which is an interesting observation.

    I think it's just hard to win a ring, even with all the longer dynasties in recent 2 decades. That its a credit if LeBron wins another.
     
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  9. LosPollosHermanos

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    How is he going around getting these rings?

    Having a BBQ and seeing which stars will congregate at a team of his choosing, which teams will overhaul their roster to win at the behest of his blackmail for 2-3 years before he burns them? Its not a coincidence that basketball as a whole has become more competitive and less about friendship power exactly when lebron's decline and impending retirement have become clearer.

    Short answer...no it wouldn't if he goes about it the way he has. Same reason Robert Horry isn't better than him.

    Its a pet peeve of mine when people say " Personally I think Jordan is the GOAT"

    All dicksucking aside, its an established fact. Jordan doesn't need to prove he's the GOAT to anyone, the burden of evidence is on other people and to date nobody has come close. Lebron is fighting for #2, he was never close to fighting for 1. This was never a conversation. Klutch sports has been paying youtubers to start this discussion as a huge marketing scheme.
     
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    Those performance enhancing vitamins.

    And all those games missed for load management really helped with that!
     
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    First 15 seasons he only missed 71 games. I basically missed more days of work than him during that time. Lebron was a work horse when he was younger. Last 5 years he definitely has increased to 98 games, so yeah, he started resting then. Still, pretty durable until he got old.

    As far as PEDs, whatever he took, it wasn't roids. That will cause you to injure yourself. Maybe HGH? who really knows? All I know is he has had amazing durability.
     
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    This thread partly illustrates why I am tired of LeBron. The never-ending worship/banter/debate about him bores me to tears.

    I just wish he would go away and let the NBA move on. Enough is enough.
     
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    Can't say I disagree, just recognizing that he is an all time great.
     
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    I don't deny his greatness. I believe his extreme longevity has pushed him into #1 all time.

    But the extreme longevity, over-the-top fawning and constant drone of news about LeBron has made me sick and tired of just hearing the word "LeBron".
     
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  15. Futron

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    I agree, that was my point. There’s no “what ifs” for him like with a Penny or T-Mac or Grant Hill like “what if he didn’t get hurt?” And the super team era is over & the NbA pretty much prevented it from happening again unless a trillionaire says F it I’ll pay the penalties (suns & clippers learned the hard way).

    So every season he continues to play at a high level and NOT even make the championship hurts his legacy or locks it in where it is in my book.

    But if somehow he won more this late in his career, I do think it would be impressive
     
  16. Futron

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    Exactly!
    You PERFECTLY got what I was trying to explain. This literally has nothing to do about a GOAT debate and just more about the interesting timing he is in since this is never before seen territory other the man literally Tom Brady and Tom Brady did most of his damage around his prime
     
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    The only reason I gave that caveat is because since it’s a “LeBron thread” people are always super divisive and I didn’t want it to seem like a biased take to try to “find a way to make an excuse for why LeBron should be the GOAT”
    If anything I’m more biased the other way, but I’m not a binary thinking person meaning because I think Jordan is the GOAT that means I have to hate LeBron or I can’t recognize his greatness either
     
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    That’s crazy his daughter is literally the girl version of him as far as her looks lol
     
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    Extreme longevity isn't and shouldn't be a criteria for the being the GOAT. Its multifactorial
     
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    Without the longevity he doesn't make it to the top 10 in almost every single all time stat. That's his true superpower. When you look for example at the per game average, Jordan and Wilt stand at the all time leads with 30 points per game. That's incredible that they managed to average over 30 per game for their entire career, particularly for Jordan as the 90's were low scoring, defense first kinda games. What's crazy is that Lebron is also top 10 on that stat, currently at #8 even with his statistical decline the last few years.
     
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