Who is our Best Two Way Players? Which players on our team give us the best mix of Offense and Defense? Rocket River
Dillon Brooks Jabari Smith Jr Tari Eason Stephen Adams Jeff Green That's probably your top 5. Which is why you don't build rosters on 2 way players alone. Jalen and Alpi are offense-heavy, Amen is defense-only, Cam is offense-only. You're taking away the majority of the talent if you remove the specialists, that's how it tends to be unless you have Kawhi Leonard or someone like that.
FVV does play on both sides but it is mostly below average, more times than not. He is a miniature chucker with decent hands.
Amen is having a horrible offensive playoff series so far, but he is our best two way player. Part of his offensive struggles in the playoffs is by GSW design, and the other is him just simply missing shots he easily makes. After that I'd put Brooks, Tari, Bari very very close to each other. Jabari could be the 2nd best two way on our team if we utilized his mid-range game a lot more. We are really loaded with two-way talent and they each offer something slightly unique.
I'm not sure how you can call Amen a two way player. If Amen is a two way player then so are Jalen and Sengun.
Amen is actually a great two-way player in the right circumstances. Put him on most of the other west playoff teams, Lakers, Nuggets, Clippers, etc. and he'd perform better on offense. Jabari and Tari are both on-paper potential 2-way studs but both aren't there yet.
For the regular season this just isn't true. Sure he had a bad start and a bad finish, but he had a lot of good basketball in the middle. His being efficient as a passer and setting up the offense easily negates his shooting inefficiency. For the playoffs, he's had at least 7 bad quarters which could be said about quite a few Rockets over these 3 games.
The importance of Two Way players is their ability to convert from one to the other They also make up for the weakness of the other players Rocket River
Amen is our best two-way player overall, as in average of his capabilities on both ends. (By far the best defensive player + better than half of our rotation players on offense.) The issue is that his scoring and playmaking are only going to work to their peak potential in an uptempo, pace-and-space offense, surrounded by shooters who can run the court, and that's a poor fit alongside the slow FVV + Alpi pick & roll halfcourt gameplan. Now, I still think he can be more useful than he has been in the halfcourt--he has to get past his nerves and get back to making smart cuts and crashing the offensive boards intelligently. So for me: 1. Amen 2. Dillon 3. Jabari 4. Tari 5. Two-way tie between JG and Alpi--I consider them both two-way players now, albeit more "decent" on defense than "great" Edit: To clarify something--I do not think Amen is our best offensive player right now. I think Sengun is clearly that guy, and Jalen is probably also more valuable overall on offense right now, although you can argue about Amen's efficiency versus Jalen's volume/gravity/actually having a jump shot. I think Amen is somewhere in the vicinity of DB and Jabari on overall offensive value, so middle of the pack for our starters. My larger point is--the gap between Amen's defensive acumen and the next guys down (Dillon, Tari, Jabari) is much larger than the gap between Sengun's offense and Amen's.
1. Alpi 2. Jalen 3. Dillon (as efficient 3&d) 4. Jabari 5. Tari Everyone else is either tilted too much on defense or offense. I think there is a limit to how much defense can hold great offense so we can not have team tilted towards defense and expect to win against good team. We need team tilted towards a bit more on offense with good effort and skill on defense.
Amen is defense only? Can we please stop overreacting to these three playoff games? Since starting, Amen has basically averaged 15 ppg on around a .6 TS%. Despite not starting most the season, Amen ended up averaging more ppg than Brooks (14.1 v 14) on a far better TS% (.6 v. .55). Arguing that Amen is defense only and that Brooks is somehow a much better two-way player is ridiculous.
I really disagree. Maybe in the regular season, but right now in the half court Amen has been highly ineffective. GSW puts their worst defenders on him like Buddy Hield and they all just ignore him and focus on Sengun or Adams. He is "efficient" because he gets open on cuts for a dunk here and there but that is very limited contribution IMO. Tbh I am extremely disappointed Amen would be bad for 3 games straight, usually he bounces back after just 1 bad game. I hope he picks it up moving forward. Amen has also been unable to stop Curry so even his defense hasnt been that good. Right now I'd rather have a more balanced guy like Tari or Jabari cuz they dont hurt the team on offense and even if they cant stop Curry, well Amen wasnt stopping Curry either.
