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30 Republican Senators approve of rape without recourse

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Depressio, Oct 22, 2009.

  1. Depressio

    Depressio Member

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    Was watching an episode of The Daily Show, and caught this gem of a story: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/07/kbr-rape-franken-amendment/ (first link I could find)

    Yes, all 30 "nay" votes were Republicans. Has the bipartisan divide really gotten so bad that senators are voting against a bill of this sort?! Disgusting.

    And before I see the "but the Democrats do it too," provide an example.
     
  2. rhino17

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    lol, I saw this on the Daily Show the other day.
     
  3. Malcolm

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    ^^^^^
    Me too
     
  4. adoo

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/07/meet-the-senators-who-vot_n_312976.html

    Here's a list of the Senators who showed broad support for Roman Polanski by voting against it:

    Alexander (R-TN)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Bond (R-MO)
    Brownback (R-KS)
    Bunning (R-KY)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    DeMint (R-SC)
    Ensign (R-NV)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Gregg (R-NH)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Johanns (R-NE)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Wicker (R-MS)​
     
  5. DonnyMost

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    30 pieces of s***.
     
  6. juicystream

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    She could have had her day in court before through criminal proceedings.

    and this has been brought up before.
     
  7. GladiatoRowdy

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    It happened in Iraq. No American court is going to prosecute for a crime committed on foreign soil. The only recourse this woman had was a civil suit, which they are prevented from bringing.
     
  8. juicystream

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    The hell the US government wouldn't hear a criminal case over US citizens hired by the US government to work overseas.
     
  9. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I'd be curious to see what the vote would have been if instead of this:

    "To prohibit the use of funds for any Federal contract with Halliburton Company, KBR, Inc., any of their subsidiaries or affiliates, or any other contracting party if such contractor or a subcontractor at any tier under such contract requires that employees or independent contractors sign mandatory arbitration clauses regarding certain claims"

    it was this:

    "To prohibit the use of funds for any Federal contract with any contracting party if such contractor or a subcontractor at any tier under such contract requires that employees or independent contractors sign mandatory arbitration clauses regarding certain claims"

    Granted it's the same thing, but it would be interesting to see.
     
  10. GladiatoRowdy

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    Have you ever heard the word jurisdiction? They don't have any, so what prosecutor is going to attempt to bring a case that will be thrown out by a judge because they lack it?
     
  11. juicystream

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    http://i.abcnews.com/Blotter/story?id=3977702&page=1


    In a lawsuit filed in federal court against Halliburton and its then-subsidiary KBR, Jones says she was held in the shipping container for at least 24 hours without food or water by KBR, which posted armed security guards outside her door, who would not let her leave. Jones described the container as sparely furnished with a bed, table and lamp.

    "It felt like prison," says Jones, who told her story to ABC News as part of an upcoming "20/20" investigation. "I was upset; I was curled up in a ball on the bed; I just could not believe what had happened."

    Finally, Jones says, she convinced a sympathetic guard to loan her a cell phone so she could call her father in Texas.

    "I said, 'Dad, I've been raped. I don't know what to do. I'm in this container, and I'm not able to leave,'" she said. Her father called their congressman, Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas.

    "We contacted the State Department first," Poe told ABCNews.com, "and told them of the urgency of rescuing an American citizen" -- from her American employer.

    Poe says his office contacted the State Department, which quickly dispatched agents from the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad to Jones' camp, where they rescued her from the container.

    According to her lawsuit, Jones was raped by "several attackers who first drugged her, then repeatedly raped and injured her, both physically and emotionally."

    Jones told ABCNews.com that an examination by Army doctors showed she had been raped "both vaginally and anally," but that the rape kit disappeared after it was handed over to KBR security officers.

    ...

    Over two years later, the Justice Department has brought no criminal charges in the matter. In fact, ABC News could not confirm any federal agency was investigating the case.

    Legal experts say Jones' alleged assailants will likely never face a judge and jury, due to an enormous loophole that has effectively left contractors in Iraq beyond the reach of United States law.

    "It's very troubling," said Dean John Hutson of the Franklin Pierce Law Center. "The way the law presently stands, I would say that they don't have, at least in the criminal system, the opportunity for justice."

    Congressman Poe says neither the departments of State nor Justice will give him answers on the status of the Jones investigation.

    ...

    Since no criminal charges have been filed, the only other option, according to Hutson, is the civil system, which is the approach that Jones is trying now. But Jones' former employer doesn't want this case to see the inside of a civil courtroom.

    KBR has moved for Jones' claim to be heard in private arbitration, instead of a public courtroom. It says her employment contract requires it.

    In arbitration, there is no public record nor transcript of the proceedings, meaning that Jones' claims would not be heard before a judge and jury. Rather, a private arbitrator would decide Jones' case. In recent testimony before Congress, employment lawyer Cathy Ventrell-Monsees said that Halliburton won more than 80 percent of arbitration proceedings brought against it.
     
  13. BigBenito

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    these don't fit.
     
  14. juicystream

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    I was under the impression that the loophole had been closed by:

    [rquoter]Previously, the military code applied to “persons serving with or accompanying an armed force in the field” only during a war, which US courts interpreted to mean a war declared by Congress. But there has not been a formal declaration of war by Congress for 65 years, Singer wrote, which meant contractors in Iraq or Afghanistan were not covered by the code. Under the new legislation, Congress amended the code to apply to persons accompanying an armed force during a “declared war or contingency operation,” which would include operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.[/rquoter]

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/jan2007/mili-j17.shtml

    If not, the problem seems to be these loopholes, or the military's inaction in these cases. In the link I provided earlier that would have subject them to trial, what became of that? There is nobody enforcing the law, then that is the problem, not withholding funds from companies that use arbitration to settle civil suits. There is a law covering these people, why is it not being enforced?

    This scares me more than anything:

     
  15. rocketsjudoka

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    My understanding is that KBR's contract with the government allows them some exemption from being under military justice. This is just off of the top of my head but I believe that is why the Franken Amendment was brought up.
     
  16. rocketsjudoka

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    THat's a good question but again from off of the top of my head I recall that KBR had certain exceptions which is why the amendment was written the way it was.
     
  17. juicystream

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    This does nothing to bring justice without criminal proceedings. This focuses on civil penalties and how much she is going to get out of this company, and the only thing that happens to the rapists is that they get fired. They are focusing on the wrong part of this situation. I'm ashamed for all 100 members.
     
  18. Oski2005

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    What does the Republican party stand for these days?
     
  20. rimrocker

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    They stand for whatever Dems are against.
     

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