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23 year old engineer shot for no reason

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by KaiSeR SoZe, Aug 20, 2010.

  1. 3814

    3814 Contributing Member

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    To be honest, they are all low life scums for sure, but I don't believe they should all get the life sentence. The shooter most definitely (but no death penalty). But hopefully this is a major wakeup call for the other 3. They were definitely going to do a crime, but not intending to kill someone. They were caught up in a bad situation with peer pressure and bad friends. They should have known better. But 5-10 years is a long time to think about that poor choice, which is where I would put it for the other 3 guys.
     
  2. Thefabman

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    burn em alive...trash
     
  3. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Until all of the facts come out it is difficult to determine what they should get. If the 3 had guns or knew that any one of them had a gun then 5-10 years is way too short of sentence.

    As the story is written, the shooter should be eligible for the maximum penalty, but the others didn't have to be there to commit the robbery, so I have no problem if they get life in prison (based on the information at hand).
     
  4. 3814

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    You're right. The knowledge on the gun is a huge determining factor.

    If you're holding a gun during a robbery, it's never an "accident" that somebody gets shot.

    And if you knew your friend had a gun when you went to rob somebody, you're in for a lot more time than if you never knew he had it.
     
  5. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    This sounds pretty reasonable even though it was a senseless, horrible crime. I kind of see it this way. The guy that pulled the trigger definitely needs to be put away forever (in one way or another), the other 3 were probably weak kids that followed the psycho. My only thought is these kids were probably not very well off in the first place...the only thing you'll do by putting them in prison for 5-10 of the most productive years of their lives is turn them into worse criminals, but unfortunately that's the best our system can do. :(

    Now that I read bobrek's post, more info would definitely help determine the penalty for the other 3.
     
  6. countingcrow

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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    If MS has a penal code anything like here in CA, they should all be tried for Felony Murder and face 25-life.
     
  8. Yonkers

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    You're not going to get many polite knocks on the door saying, 'Pardon... pardon me, sir... anyone home?... I say, excuse the interruption... hello, but your house is on fire'. So I wouldn't worry about that.
     
  9. Eps

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    **** like this makes me wanna go charles bronson on these punkasses
     
  10. Surfguy

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    You're right. They wouldn't knock. They would just let me burn to death.

    BASTARDS!!! :mad:

    Occassionally, I have a neighbor knock on my door but it is always something trivial. I think it's been "I cut some branches off my bush and it landed in your backyard. Do you want me to pick it up?" but I'm such a cool guy that I just say "No problem. I'll pick them up.".
     
  11. wtfamonkey

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    only if they were in Texas. They all would be facing death sentences
     
  12. Rocket River

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    You mean people bursting into your house and killing folx is wrong?

    Rocket River


    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/may2010/detr-m17.shtml

    Detroit police kill seven-year-old child
    By Jerry White
    17 May 2010

    Detroit police shot and killed a seven-year-old girl during an early morning raid of a home on the city’s east side Sunday morning. The child, Aiyana Stanley Jones, was struck in the head and neck area while sleeping on a couch at the home on Lillibridge Street.

    In a Sunday morning press conference Assistant Police Chief Ralph Godbee said police were executing a “no-knock” search warrant for a homicide suspect in the two-apartment home. He said the police—members of the heavily armed Special Response Team—threw a flash grenade through an unopened window around 12:45 a.m. before charging in with guns drawn.

    Godbee claimed the policeman’s gun discharged after he “had some level of physical contact” with the girl’s 47-year-old grandmother, Mertilla Jones. The police were not categorizing the shooting as accidental yet, Godbee said, "although we don't believe the gun was discharged intentionally."

    Charles Jones, father of the slain girl, said he rushed from a back bedroom to see his mother being pushed through the door and another police officer carrying his bleeding daughter from the house. “They came into my house with a flash grenade and a bullet," Jones told the Detroit News. "They say my mother (Mertilla Jones) resisted them, that she tried to take an officer's gun. My mother had never been in handcuffs in her life. They killed my baby and I want someone to tell the truth."

    The young father added, “I want this story to be heard. This was a wrongful death."

    Mertilla Jones, who was arrested at the scene and released Sunday, told the Detroit News, "They blew my granddaughter's brains out. They killed her right before my eyes. I seen the light go out of her eyes.” She denied police claims she had a physical confrontation with the cops, telling WXYZ-TV, “I never touched none of them. No one gave them any struggle. My grandbaby is gone. The Detroit police killed my granddaughter.”

    Before the police broke in, a relative told police there were children inside and pointed to toys in the front yard. “‘There’s kids in the house,’ I said five times, ‘there are kids in the house,’” a relative told the TV station.

    Jones and his relatives said the suspect was not even in the same apartment as Aiyana. Police raided the upstairs unit simultaneously and reportedly arrested a 34-year-old male.

    "Based on our intelligence, we got a search warrant for the location,” Godbee said. "Because of the violent nature of the crime, we thought we were entering a potentially dangerous situation." Godbee said a full investigation would be conducted and expressed fear of public reaction, saying the police “might be the target of anger."

    A spontaneous memorial was set up in front the eastside home, with friends, relatives and ordinary citizens leaving flowers and children’s balloons and toys to pay honor to the dead child and her family. A candlelight vigil was held Sunday night.

    Class tensions in the city are reaching a breaking point. After decades of plant closings and mass layoffs, the Motor City has a real unemployment rate at the Depression-level of 50 percent. Hundreds of thousands of people face a daily struggle for survival, confronting utility shutoffs, evictions and foreclosures, while the city’s Democratic-run administration—led by millionaire businessman Mayor David Bing—is planning to shut off public services to entire working class neighborhoods deemed too poor to maintain.

    A report on an apartment house fire in the poverty-stricken Detroit enclave of Highland Park on Sunday noted that many of those inhabiting the building were homeless “squatters,” including whole families. One resident said the local utility company DTE Energy had come out to disconnect the electrical service to the building, but “people threatened to shoot them if they did.”

    Under these conditions, the Bing administration is using the police to crack down on the population. In recent weeks, opponents of police brutality have complained that the Detroit Police Department’s gang squad—known as the Mobile Strike Force—has been “terrorizing” neighborhoods, with complaints against the police rising more than 200 percent.

    The Detroit police may have been particularly primed to use indiscriminate and overwhelming force on Sunday, due to a raid last month that left one cop dead and four others wounded.

    The squad involved in the death of Aiyana Jones, the Special Response Team, was formed in 1987. It has been described by former members as a “highly trained anti-terrorist unity” and the “Marine Corps” of the Detroit police department.
     
  13. Coach AI

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    I don't have any sympathy for the other 3, whether they had guns or not. The four of them were driving around looking for people to follow home and rob. F them.
     
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    Focus on the worthless thugs at hand, please. There are much more of them to worry about.
     
  15. DonkeyMagic

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    I have no idea what your point is there.

    ! scenario is a freak accident while the police were raiding a house with a search warrant while looking for a possible killer.


    The other is where 4 guys came to rob a man and intentionally took his life (at least one did at least).

    you are awarded no points. And may god have mercy on your soul
     
  16. Rocket River

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    The point is simple. Senseless violence happens all the time.
    One is rationalized the other is sensationalized.

    These 4 men will get what is coming to them . . . the victim will be avenged.
    make no mistake about that
    but
    will there be justice for Aiyana Jones? Do you care?

    Rocket River
     
  17. DonkeyMagic

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  18. couple of d's

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    Cuz thats the same.... :rolleyes:
     
  19. Raven

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    Wake up call for the other three?

    5-10 years?

    A young man, in the beginning of life, was snuffed out and you think 5-10 years is sufficient enough punishment. This is why I reluctantly support the death penalty, as a counter balance to those who think a few years in prison is all an innocent person's life is worth.

    If convicted, these men should be executed. None of them should ever be released back into the public. Ever.
     
  20. Big MAK

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    Life for the 3. Death for the killer cannot come quick enough.
     

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