Smith did, Green really didn't. He shot 33.8% from 3 for the season, and his last 20 games he shot 33.6% from 3. He's always been streaky rather than good and I see no reason to assume that changes any time soon. When you are hell bent on keeping a SG that cant S, it means you need the other guard to be a shooter.
I can’t say this enough. OG is a FA next year no matter what. Neither Toronto or Houston can extend him. It’s the rules. It would be asinine to give up assets for him unless Toronto wants a one year salary dump and get a 2nd rounder in return (unlikely). If they do want to trade him a playoff contender might give them a late 1st rounder come deadline time. Same with Siakim.
I get it. But you have the advantage of offering the most money and deals under the table are common in the nba. Kawhi took less to leave Toronto. That's more rare than a Chris Paul or Charles Barkley situation.
From what I'm reading, the rules allow a 40% increase on an extension. The current team can offer an additional year. So there's not something that stops an extension other than him likely getting better but shorter offers on the market... From Yahoo on 4/13/23: OG Anunoby open to contact extension talks with Raptors I'm not seeing anything that says the Rockets couldn't trade for him and extend him immediately if he's willing to take the 40%. That could be determined prior to trading for him. He is eligible for 4 years, 116.9 million. Almost 30 million per season sounds more than fair. Bridges gets 20 something as a better player with an older deal.
Josh Cristopher for Peyton Pritcard I like Jaygup, think he has future in the league, but Pritchard is more advanced, more controlled and is a better shooter. Get'er done!
May need BimaThug or Corrosion to explain this. I believe t is not impossible for OG to get an extension, but is highly unlikely because of the Arenas Rule, it also affects the Lakers ability to match offers on Reeves. Both players will have to accept significantly less in there first two years than they are worth. It could be made up in years 3 and 4 by the acquiring team. I could be wrong, but I think one of our resident cap experts explained it in another thread. There are no constraints other than the NBA max on how much they can be paid when they reach FA which for OG and Siakim is next year.
You're right but it's also so common to have handshake deals. Maybe I'm being optimistic, but perhaps they can reach an agreement with his agent that we get to match another team's best offer. I think they should only acquire him with a package that takes that risk into consideration and after working out an understanding with his agent. There's no particular reason he'd want to stay with the Rockets but maybe for example Udoka sells him a great vision. He could be a championship role player if he's patient while the kids grow and Udoka can improve his game. He and Jabari can form an incredible defensive duo for us who can help Sengun a lot. You know what you're going to get with him, there's very little risk. Pure 3&D player who is pretty consistent and unlikely to develop good handles. Needs to cut out some overly optimistic shots, otherwise his game is solid. If he's worth it now, he'll pretty much be worth it in 3 years. Not my favorite option, but for example we're struggling to reach the salary cap floor then I'd consider swapping him and Tate + KJ + #20 + heavily protected future pick. They're not getting 3 picks for a player who has 1 year remaining and can't extend. I'm sure they don't want to let him walk. I think 2 picks and some positive assets could end up being the price and if we have an understanding he'll return if we match any offer then honestly it's not a bad option. I doubt he gets offered more than $25m/season. I think he's a good complement for the core of Sengun/Green/Jabari. Doesn't need the ball, brings tons of value on defense and off ball offense. Someone has to guard the top tier wings in the NBA really well for us next season. If in a year or two Tari beats him out, he's also a very good contract to use in trade. Like I said, you know he's going to be giving you roughly the same production in 2-3 years.
117/4 is absolutely not enough to re-sign OG. If it was, he would be signing the extension in Toronto. It is well understood by Toronto fans and generally that he would not sign an extension that low. He's repped by Klutch Sports. Significant players only really get to unrestricted free agency now if (a) they won't accept the max veteran extension amount like OG, Grant etc. or (b) they are post-prime, injury prone, or underperforming veterans whose teams are hesitant to offer them a 4 year deal at their current market value, like Harden, Kyrie, Middleton, Draymond etc. Mikal Bridges' contract is known as the most underpaid contract in the NBA, and he signed it as a RFA not a UFA, which constrained his leverage further. If Bridges were a free agent today, he'd probably command the max. Anunoby will be one of the 2 or 3 best free agents in the 24 class, and the cap will have gone up by >25% since Bridges' signed. I'd be surprised if Anunoby is expecting less than $35M/yr next summer. The Rockets can offer him that next summer as a free agent and get him. To your Kawhi example -- American athletes in Canada pay super high taxes. Net, OG or Kawhi would make more playing for any American team they sign with as UFA's vs. what the Raptors can offer. And on "handshake" deals. These deals happen when a player *chooses* the city he gets traded to. CP3 chose Houston. Anthony Davis chose LA. James Harden chose Philly. Kawhi didn't choose Toronto. He left. Dwight Howard left LA. If the player doesn't choose your team on an expiring contract, and you just trade for him, it's just a 1 year long free agent presentation. You're auditioning to get him to stay. Oftentimes, they leave. So if OG or Siakam or Jaylen or Dejounte chooses Houston as the place he wants to be long-term and is committed to it (not sure why they would, they have no connection to the city, we just won 22 games, and have a pretty poor reputation across the league at the moment unfortunately), you can have a trade conversation involving meaningful assets. Otherwise the only trade conversations would be using the #20 pick or lower value assets like KJ, KPJ etc.
Understood, but the confusion was you said he couldn't by the cba, not that he didn't want to. That was news to me so I looked into. He can choose to go to Houston. They can get permission from the raptors to speak with him. He has been unhappy with his role on offense in Toronto. He may see more opportunities in Houston where he would have a leadership role. You say oftentimes they leave. But those teams are taking a blind faith and not getting commitment from the player ahead of time. There is no way the Lakers gave up what they did for 2 seasons of Anthony Davis. There were assurances given for sure. I'm also skeptical about OG getting as much as you say. Spotrac has his current contract value under Porzingis, Ingram, Clarke, KJ Martin, Randle, Derozan, J Brown, and many more. Bridges is 22 in the league for value on contract among forwards. Grant Williams is 24. OG is 63rd. 28 million per year is probably fair value for him. Hard to tell without this offseason spending, but as it is now, the best teams with 50 million or more space his free agent year are the Mavericks, Kings, and Pacers. Most of the teams on the list aren't any better than Houston in terms of on court talent... Magic Pistons Spurs Hornets Thunder Wizards
Yeah like I said, if he or Jaylen or Siakam chooses Houston as his preferred long term destination, that’s great. There’s just no particular reason he would. We’re 1/30 teams, and in terms of talent and league-wide reputation currently, we’re towards the bottom. Why would he rather be in Houston than Philly, Dallas, Memphis, New Orleans, Golden State, New York etc? All of which could acquire him if he gives them a locked in promise he wants to be there. It’s just wishful thinking. I hope Luka tells Dallas he wants to be in Houston and Houston only. It’s unlikely to happen though. Regarding his value, IDK what to tell you to convince you. Do you think OG is better than Jerami Grant? (obviously you do, because you want us to trade the #4 pick for him when Grant was traded as an expiring last summer for a 2025 protected Milwaukee pick) Look up what Jerami Grant is expected to sign for this summer. $31-33M/yr. The cap will be $10M higher next year. OG’s floor is $34-35M/yr.
I’m of the belief KPJ isn’t going anywhere. I also believe James Harden is the best free agent on the market and if he wants to come here it’s inevitable he’s a rocket again. So that’s: Harden/Green/KPJ and we’ll add another guard. If we add Scoot in the draft I think we are gonna have a real logjam in the backcourt. There just aren’t enough minutes for those 4 guys. Let alone we might want to add a Bruce Brown, Josh Hart, or Gary Trent Jr. So it will be interesting to see what the rockets do in the backcourt. I think there’s a very high probability we sign Grant Williams. Boston can’t match a reasonable offer, there’s a comfort level with Udoka, and he fits a position of need as a 3/4 3&D guy. but the guy I’m not hearing much about that I really hope the rockets do everything they can to pursue is Jakob Poeltl. I really think that Poeltl and Sengun would be a great combo at the center spot. He’s legit 7’1”, plays great D, scores around the rim, one of the best rebounders in the nba. Very efficient and smart player who’s still only 27. If we are keeping Sengun and want to add a veteran big to provide strong defensive presence behind Sengun, Poeltl is someone the rockets should consider.
I'm not sure how you put them in the same comparison. Grant will be 29 next season. OG will be 26. That's almost the entire length of the contract in age difference. Grant's defensive metrics are significantly worse: OG: DWS: +2.9 DBPM: +0.7 Grant: DWS: 1.0 DBPM: -1.4 It's a drastic difference on the defensive end. Their shooting from 3 over the past 4 or 5 seasons is comparable. OG has been better over the past 3 by a small amount. OG is probably a slightly better rebounder. Grant has played more slightly in the playoffs but almost all of it was one year in Denver. OG has a ring and Grant does not. Ultimately OG is a better player on the defensive end and much younger so he should be paid more than Grant everything else equal.
I think Grant Williams is a perfect fit for need and price. He still lets you sign a player for max and can be a role player if Eason develops... I like Poetl, but suspect Toronto doesn't want to lose him. There's also no clear starting job here while other teams don't have a Sengun taking minutes. He checks a lot of boxes for Houston but I'm not sure Rockets check boxes for him.
Don't worry. Even if Stone doesn't have sense enough not to do this I'm SURE Ime's got this covered! You just KNOW he's in Tilly or Patrick's ear telling them........"You NEVER pay for a rental like that! There's just too much out there for free!".
You could be right on the deal Grant gets but I think he's a 20-25 million a year for 3 years guy. I think 4 years 120 is about right for OG. When you get into 35 or 40 million a year you get either allstars or guys no one wants the contract of... Here are guys making that money... Ja Morant Zion Williamson Darius Garland Klay Thompson Anthony Davis Tobias Harris SGA Michael Porter jr Khris Middleton Ben Simmons Granted, market resets value and those guys are locked in... There is not a player on that list equal to or worse than Grant where you would take that contract if free. The players better than Grant seem ok at those prices. Just my opinion....
[[/QUOTE] So you agree OG will be getting $34-35M+, if Grant is getting $31-33M? theref Sure, you can have your opinion. It’s not really relevant to what will actually happen. Case in point, Jerami Grant literally already turned down 28M/yr for 4 years a few months ago. The market changes, the cap increases, guys make more money every year.
If they are going to move him, you have to think that now would be the preferred time to do it. I don’t think they are going to get much for an expiring player at the deadline. Probably only one pick in the late 20’s and take on dead weight matching salaries. D’Angelo Russell isn’t quite as good, but as a rental player with the possibility of re-signing, he brought back 35yo Mike Conley and 3 second round picks. If the Rockets sent #20, a second and JC, it might get it done. I think the Rockets are going to have to pull off something like this if they are going to want to get anyone of significance in free agency.
