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[2013 NFL Draft/4th Rd] Trevardo Williams

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Apr 27, 2013.

  1. J.R.

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    Trevardo Williams, LB/DE, Connecticut
     
  2. Commodore

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>The LIVE stream is up <a href="http://t.co/8QPwyLSBdv" title="http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/LIVE-Texans-Day-3-of-the-Draft/9c99dab7-7e93-45de-af91-7d948791fd2b">bit.ly/124stmh</a> and you can hear from our 4th rounder, and the position coach shortly after the pick.</p>&mdash; Houston Texans (@HoustonTexans) <a href="https://twitter.com/HoustonTexans/status/328193175703416832" data-datetime="2013-04-27T17:05:25+00:00">April 27, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I thought Trevardo Williams was a solid 3rd and one of my favorite 3-4 OLBs on the board. Great edge burst. Love that pick for Texans</p>&mdash; Lance Zierlein (@LanceZierlein) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/328198154740723712">April 27, 2013</a></blockquote>
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  4. SuperS32

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    Not surprising at all - one of the best verticals and the best 40 time of all the defensive ends in the draft. Fits what the Texans like to do on the Dline, which is get to the QB, create turnovers, and bat balls down.

    STRENGTHS Pass rusher who lines up with his hand down and from a stand-up position, also starts on both sides of the line and inside to take advantage of slower guards. Secure tackler, brings force to his stops against unsuspecting quarterbacks on blind side hits. Times up the snap well, especially if teams aren’t changing up the count.Has the get-off necessary to attack from a wide-nine position and the flexibility to turn the corner in a hurry. Closes well against pocket passers trying to scramble, goes for the strip on contact using solid upper-body strength and tenacious attitude. Uses foot quickness to jump inside on counter move to take advantage of leaning blockers, also fast enough to jump on quarterbacks trying to step up in the pocket. Gets his hands up to knock down passes or impede the quarterback’s vision. Stands his ground on the edge against linemen against the run, gets his hands into their chests quickly (with some pop) to play with leverage.

    WEAKNESSES Undersized for a 4-3 defensive end at his current weight, can be engulfed by better tackles, or even tight ends. (Doesn't matter in theTexans 3-4) Needs to develop more power in the legs. Not violent off of contact, will be stop in his tracks if initial move fails. Does not look fluid back pedalling when asked to drop into coverage (this could be a problem), is not practiced in man against running backs and tight ends for a move to linebacker. Constantly taken to the ground and unable to recover from cut blocks. Needs a variety of pass rush moves to beat NFL linemen.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Williams: was born in Jamaica. Ran 100 meters in high school.</p>&mdash; Houston Texans (@HoustonTexans) <a href="https://twitter.com/HoustonTexans/status/328199701973303296" data-datetime="2013-04-27T17:31:21+00:00">April 27, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/30150
     
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    Is it bad that I like Trevardo Williams potential more than Sam Montgomery? That said, I don't dislike Montgomery, but Williams can fly
     
  8. J.R.

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Herring: Williams gives us more flexibility at LB position. 1 thing he has is speed. He's fast, period. The guy can fly.</p>&mdash; Houston Texans (@HoustonTexans) <a href="https://twitter.com/HoustonTexans/status/328201331758227456">April 27, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Herring praises Williams' ability to rush the passer &amp; speed. Says his height is not ideal, but he is "fast, period. The guy can fly."</p>&mdash; Texans PR (@TexansPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/TexansPR/status/328201348740968450">April 27, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Herring: "If you are fast, you have a chance to be successful early, without even learning any technique."</p>&mdash; Texans PR (@TexansPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/TexansPR/status/328201431075127298">April 27, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Herring says Williams will start off at SAM LB along with Montgomery.</p>&mdash; Texans PR (@TexansPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/TexansPR/status/328201509324062722">April 27, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Herring said the Williams &amp; Montgomery picks give <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Texans">#Texans</a> options, incl. possibility of moving Brooks Reed inside, which he has done before</p>&mdash; Texans PR (@TexansPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/TexansPR/status/328201642107338754">April 27, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Herring: I'm extremely confident if we had to move Brooks Reed to ILB. Plays with his hair on fire.</p>&mdash; Houston Texans (@HoustonTexans) <a href="https://twitter.com/HoustonTexans/status/328201939852599296">April 27, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Oops - Herring said Reed might be second-best ILB on team right now. Apologies for the typo</p>&mdash; Texans PR (@TexansPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/TexansPR/status/328202163086053376">April 27, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Herring: We've added exceptional pass rush with Montgomery and Williams and we have a lot of flexibility now.</p>&mdash; Houston Texans (@HoustonTexans) <a href="https://twitter.com/HoustonTexans/status/328202327813136385">April 27, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Herring: Montgomery &amp; Williams "give us more bullets on the outside." Would probably start off with Montgomery ahead b/c he's bigger</p>&mdash; Texans PR (@TexansPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/TexansPR/status/328203020393381889">April 27, 2013</a></blockquote>
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  9. Spacemoth

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    Sounds like Bruce Irvin. No moves or size, just speed. We saw what Seattle was thinking about last year too. How did Williams not get rated higher?
     
  10. SuperS32

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    He wasn't rated higher because he isn't great in coverage and he's about 2 inches shorter than ideal height (6'1" vs. 6'3"). Then again, Elvis Dumervil has done just fine at 5'11" (though Dumervil was much more polished coming out of Louisville) and Dwight Freeney is 6'1."
     
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    LOVE this pick. Moves can be taught, instincts and athleticism cannot. He was tops at all the drills, and 12 sacks 2 years in a row. Love the pick, he will overtake Montey if he learns some moves.
     
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    Looks good.

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/soYBpATHcFI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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    Only watched the first 5 min of that video...but other than a couple plays where he was able to use his speed, he seemed very unproductive. Seemed like once an OL engaged in the block, he was removed from the play. Given his size, that's not surprising. Just depends on how Wade plans on using him...just need to put him in positions where his speed can cause some disruptions bc he's not going to do much when NFL linemen get their hands on him.
     
  15. Ziggy

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    I like this pick a lot but I don't think he'll be a contributor this year, he'll need time to develop.
     
  16. Refman

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    A lot of people said the same thing about Bruce Irvin last year. Sometimes the coaching staff sees things in a player for their system that most of the experts don't see.
     
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    Didn't he have 24 sacks over the last two seasons? That sounds somewhat productive to me.
     
  18. asianballa23

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    what's sam linebacker?
     
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    Strong side LB, the side the TE is on, usually the right side from the offense's perspective.

    Sam = Strong side
    Will = Weak side
    Mike = Middle LB

    In a 3-4, the DE/OLB rush specialist is called Jack.

    Generally, when people refer to the Sam LB, they mean the strong side OLB, ie the one who isn't the rush specialist. Like the last 2 years, Connor Barwin has been our Jack and Brooks Reed has been our Sam.

    But in the 3-4, the names change depending on which side is the strong side and which side the Jack LB lines up on. For instance, if Jack LB lines up on the strong side, then the Strong ILB actually becomes the Sam LB and the other OLB becomes Will.

    See:
    http://www.fromtherumbleseat.com/2010/4/3/1400273/3-4-linebacker-terminology

    Basically, disregard Jack and look at the 3 remaining LB's. Whoever is on the strong side is Sam, whoever is in the middle is Mike, and whoever is on the weak side is Will.
     
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    Stats are great...but you have to see how he's getting those sacks given that the majority of his games are against weak competition.

    In the video, if you look at when a lineman engages in the block, he is almost completely removed from the play at that point.

    His strength comes from when he can use his speed to get around the blocker before the blocker can get his hands on him. The NFL will be a much bigger transition because its much harder to run around NFL lineman, specially when you dont have any moves at the line of scrimmage.

    He has potential, but he'll have to work at it.
     

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