20,000 muslims demonstrate against Islamic extremism in Cologne, Germany

This is encouraging. I've often questioned the lack of outrage expressed by Muslims over the atrocities of the extremists.

 

This is indeed very encouraging.

Don't you think that it is signifcant that this is happening among those peacenicks, those old Europeans, the Germans?

I thought that only way to get them Muslims to behave was not to spare the rod. Bush-Cheney-Limbaugh will probalby interpret this as showing that the razinfg of Fallujah has finally whippped some sense into those boys.

 

It would be REALLY encouraging if it was happening in Syria, or Iran, or in Saudi Arabia etc..etc..etc...

DD

 

This is good news indeed. This kind of activity, if continued, could go a long way to restore the formerly good name of the Muslim religion.

 

The Muslim population in Germany is fairly new, glynch. So its not the 'peaceniks' that you rallied with in the 60s. Nice try.

 

Yeah, there's a reason these guys left the middle east. I mean, it's kind of insulting to act like these 20,000 people were for terrorism or something at some point. Seeing hundreds or a few thousand do this in the countries DaDa mentioned would be a much bigger deal.

 

Don't think they haven't noticed.

 

Thinking of the same thing as soon as after reading the first thread.

 

next we demand that americans protest against the thousands of civilians being killed in iraq currently.

and bigtexx when was the name of islam good in the west? back when they were infidels who killed everyone? oh wait...they're still that now.

 

When has Islam ever had a good name in the eyes of the Western observer? Was it back during the Pope's "Holy War" to cleanse Jerusalem of the infidels, leaving the streets stained with blood in the name of Christianity? Was it when Dante's "Inferno" so graciously placed Muhammad in the darkest depths of Hell? The West has forever been in conflict with Islam and to insinuate otherwise and reflect back on 'the good ol days when we all just got along' is plain revisionist history at it's finest.

Thankyou. This is the reason why the Booker T. Washington's and MLK's are forced down our throats from an early age, but why the struggles of Malcolm X are swept under the rug of history without even a mention. I've always felt that for the colored/nonChristian man to gain credence in America, he can only do it speaking out against his own.

 

Just in case you don't know, many Americans do protest against the war in Iraq. Many and many more Christians around the world are also against the war, including anti-American protests in both Christian and Muslim nations. Besides all these occasional anti-terrorism marches by some Muslim "minorities" in Europe, when was the last time you see any major marches against terrorism in the Arab world. I don't even wanna get into human rights, women's rights, etc.....

 

You're really being ridiculous. There was not the level of dislike and discomfort that exists today towards the Muslim religion in this country before 9/11. The 9/11 and subsequent Al Queda activities have without a doubt soiled the name of the Muslim religion. That's what I was referring to.

But if you wanted to make sure that everybody knows that you can cite important (yet irrelevant) references to Dante's Inferno and the Pope's Holy War, more power to ya. How long have you been trying to sneak those into a post?

 

The cabbage was right in the sense that the Muslim world hasn't really come out of the Dark Ages yet. Holy wars and beheadings are still the things to do over there.

 

I have never thought of the Assad Dynasty as being overly religious, so Syria is a marginal choice in your scenario.

Perhaps Pakistan would be a better example to use.


....but don't hold your breath waiting for something similar to happen in those countries.

 

What I am adressing is this ridiculous notion that "we always loved Islam, if they'de just stop being terrorists we'll go back to loving them." You're absolutely correct that there was not the level of dislike and discomfort that exists towards the Muslim religion in this country before 9/11. Why? Because Islam did not even exist in our national conscience. It was not until Elijah Muhammad's heretical and controversial "Nation of Islam" in the 50's that the name had even been heard and not until Iran/Contra until anyone even began to take any notice. Do not confuse apathy and unfamiliarity with tolerance and respect. Christendom as a whole has never viewed Islam in the positive light you speak of.

 

The majority of the Syrian people are Muslims. Syria is also known as a haven for terrorists. Syrians have also been found among the insurgents in Iraq. Whether the government of Syria is strongly non-secular or not is irrelevent to the fact that a large demonstation by the Syrian Muslims would be much more significant than one by German Muslims.

 

well obviously i doubt the rallys would be possible in syria/saudi/iran due to government restrictions.

and as for pakistan they're somewhat busy rallying against their un-democratically elected government.

i think this notion to expect similar demonstrations in third world countries with tremendous problems is stupid. people can demonstrate when they dont have more urgent needs which is more so in the west. also in the arab world people are rightfully more upset about israeli's occupation.

gotoloveit2: actually while europe was in the dark ages the muslim world was busy doing things. the dark ages are an exclusively european phenomena.

 

His original list had Iran & Saudi Arabia with both countries having a strong religious bent. My viewpoint is that Pakistan has a stronger religious identity than Syria and would be a better fit with the other two countries.

In regards to the part about being a haven for terrorists and having insurgents present in Iraq.......... Pakistan can also claim those distinctions.